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Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by threatofrain » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

Helix is nice but Zed development speed appears to be a bit slow for my liking.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by sja » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #61

zetaposter wrote: post #60

A text editor without a well rounded GUI story isn't worth it for me. There are all these desperate projects each with their own focus, ranging from "simple graphics acceleration" to "tons of bells and whistles, animations and ad-hoc UI extensions". UI should be thought out at PRs and issues, but the same people who develop the main core. But they don't have to, because they're making a terminal application, which ha…

The terminal is superior. You are just not skilled enough or advanced enough in thought to imagine what an interface can truly be.

Is this a sarcastic remark? If not, this seems like an extremely reductive stance. Surely one could imagine another skilled person preferring a GUI over the terminal, even if it's not an opinion they share :)

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by weaksauce » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

you can use neovim inside of vscode. it's pretty alright with only a few things that are rocky. I like it. got that modern gui affordances with the plugin ecosystem and lsp baked into it hard but also the normal/visual mode power.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by jasonpeacock » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #4

Neovim is one of those things that seem maybe cool, but I just can't find a reason to switch. Vim works just fine for me, I don't know what I would be getting by switching, and I'd probably waste some time porting my config and workflow to whatever the differences are (I'm a heavy user of :terminal).

In additional to all the features that others mention, I chose to support the Neovim project. It's a more open alternative without a BDFL that is willing to move forward and modernize the editor, drop support for ancient platforms, and regularly release improvements.

A big deal was splitting the editor engine from the interface so that it's embeddable in other editors.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by da4id » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #4

Neovim is one of those things that seem maybe cool, but I just can't find a reason to switch. Vim works just fine for me, I don't know what I would be getting by switching, and I'd probably waste some time porting my config and workflow to whatever the differences are (I'm a heavy user of :terminal).

I tried moving to neovim from vim mainly to try Copilot.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by modernerd » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

weaksauce wrote: post #73

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

you can use neovim inside of vscode. it's pretty alright with only a few things that are rocky. I like it. got that modern gui affordances with the plugin ecosystem and lsp baked into it hard but also the normal/visual mode power.

Thanks, I use VSCodeVim at the moment because even though it's not using “real vim” under the hood the performance has been more consistent for me.

I revisit VSCode Neovim periodically but end up switching back after a day or so due to consistent freezing and cursor jitter (even with an empty nvim config and very few other VS Code extensions). I'll keep trying it out, though.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by cercatrova » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #65

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

> If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? VS Code is a proprietary, spyware-riddled, resource-wasting worked example of why "modern" software sucks. Also for my personal use, everything that's not vim suffers from being not vim; it would cost me effort to switch for no cl…

I use VSCode since switching away from Neo/Vim because things just work. I don't have to install a bunch of plugins like I used to where I don't know what works and what doesn't work with each other. For example, for Rust, I go to VSCode extensions page, click install on rust-analyzer, and that's it. I don't have to set up an LSP, syntax highlighting, etc which are each their own plugin on Vim.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by ptato » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

Modal editing in VS Code is not good enough. I still use it for certain things. Just not the bulk of my programming.

When helix is more ready, I will probably switch to it.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by bilalq » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I kind of take the best of both worlds. VSCode has a lot of functionality that Neovim lacks, particularly on rendering previews of things like Markdown and Mermaid. Even outside of UI stuff, VSCode's extension ecosystem has so much deeper integration with things (beyond the level of just text/code editing, I mean). The VSCode JS Debug Terminal is literally life-changing. No more needing to mess around with debugger configs for runtimes. Literally just run the code and it works.

Despite that, I still often feel limited by the vim binding plugin for VSCode. It's never a problem though, because Cmd+J toggles the terminal visibility, and I escape into Neovim there when I need it.

Re: Neovim 0.8 Released

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Post by Beltalowda » Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 7:38 PM UTC

modernerd wrote: post #48

If you use Neovim, can you share why you chose it over VS Code, or one of the new terminal-based editors like https://helix-editor.com/ , or new native GUI editors like https://zed.dev/ ? It's impressive to see what the Neovim community has built — preconfigured setups like https://nvchad.com/ are especially wild. But it still feels like a huge amount of work, hoop jumping, and _fragility_ just to reach parity with V…

I like "simple" editors: just text, completion when I ask for it (instead of popping up all the time), no distracting UI chrome, simple syntax highlights, etc. "Simple" is a bit of a misleading term, because even "stock Vim" (or Neovim) has a lot of IDE-like features. They just don't get in your way by default.

I tried VSCode, and after several hours I still hadn't turned off all the features that I found undesirable.

For me, personally, that nvchad thing seems horrendous. I don't know about Helix; maybe it's better, but I can't be arsed to check it out as I don't expect any productivity jump to be worth the effort.