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US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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Plans? I assumed lots of people were already working on this. There's already a lot of training data out there, and I suspect most users can be identified by use of a handful of uncommon trigrams and sentence stats. I know you can recognize things I've written at work because they have real em dashes—people rarely type with those.

I forget that they're called em dashes -- but I also love to use them to offset what I say from other people.

If you have a compose key, (–) is compose + (-) (-) (.)

Or compose + (-) (-) (-) for (—) which is wider depending on the font.

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33037319

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33034918

Am I the only one seeing the irony and contradiction here? Not the same people at all -- subgroups at best , but the Director of National Intelligence is part of the administration. Perhaps I am missing something -- feel free to comment -- I am curious what everyone thinks.

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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I'm old so I've been planning on this for awhile. I have a folder that contains all my personal data: photos and videos, journal, all my saved social media posts, all my emails and all my anonymous handles leading to everything I've ever written online. My thinking is an AI could create a reasonable facsimile of myself that my descendants could have a conversation with. I think it'd be better than a autobiography sin…

If I had a bot that replicated my great great ancestor I’d probably get bored quickly and then try to prod it into revealing it’s deeply outdated and inappropriate social views

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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They demonized China for doing things like that Now they'll copy China I find it very funny

Developing a technology that can do that doesn't infringe on anyone's liberties. Failing to develop that technology, leaving it to China or some other authoritarian state to do, would be more likely to harm liberties, wouldn't it? Seems like you're just "damned if you do, damned if you don't"-ing, no offense.

> Developing a technology that can do that doesn't infringe on anyone's liberties.

Why are you making this up?

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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I'm old so I've been planning on this for awhile. I have a folder that contains all my personal data: photos and videos, journal, all my saved social media posts, all my emails and all my anonymous handles leading to everything I've ever written online. My thinking is an AI could create a reasonable facsimile of myself that my descendants could have a conversation with. I think it'd be better than a autobiography sin…

If I had a bot that replicated my great great ancestor I’d probably get bored quickly and then try to prod it into revealing it’s deeply outdated and inappropriate social views

You're right, the novelty would wear off quickly, but it doesn't hurt anything for me to organize a data set about myself just in case

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone unintentionally did something similar with HN comments to find users who sound most similar to you/eachother and people were finding their throwaway and alt accounts.

Yes I recall that: 'Find Your Hacker News Doppelgänger': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27568709

Interesting. There was commentary about finding anonymous/throwaway accounts, but on mine, I did not find my anonymous account (although I use that very rarely). The accounts that turned up seemed to be all real, and in a couple cases I could guess what might have made the checker match us (e.g., mentions of MFAs or Apple //e or similar politics), but not all. I didn’t notice any linguistic similarities.

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I recall that: 'Find Your Hacker News Doppelgänger': https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27568709

Interesting. There was commentary about finding anonymous/throwaway accounts, but on mine, I did not find my anonymous account (although I use that very rarely). The accounts that turned up seemed to be all real, and in a couple cases I could guess what might have made the checker match us (e.g., mentions of MFAs or Apple //e or similar politics), but not all. I didn’t notice any linguistic similarities.

Yeah back then I felt mine didn't produce good matches either.

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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Plans? I assumed lots of people were already working on this. There's already a lot of training data out there, and I suspect most users can be identified by use of a handful of uncommon trigrams and sentence stats. I know you can recognize things I've written at work because they have real em dashes—people rarely type with those.

I briefly considered making one. My idea was simple — build a Markov chain for each person plus the text with the unknown author, do a dot product of the intersection of the all the chains, pick the author with the best match. Never got around to it. Perhaps this weekend?

Re: US Government plans to develop AI that can unmask anonymous writers

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In my case and I suppose for most HN posters there'd be little point—for on demand Ycombinator would be compelled to hand over email and IP addresses to Government—as I'd reckon in most instances that'd be a much easier and faster way of obtaining relevant information.

In an era when privacy has become hugely diminished under the hands of both governments and corporate interests it raises the question of what rights to anonymity anyone has in either a public or private forum, and at present there's little if any consensus on this which ought to signal that any such project is premature.

Unlike yours truly—who usually speaks his mind irrespective of whether he's known to his audience or does so anonymously—many will not speak their minds out of fear of being ridiculed, or humiliated, or exposed, or out of the risk of offending—risking the breakup of a friendship, etc. Same goes for whistleblowers whose public utterances, if not done anonymously, usually costs them their jobs.

If people fear that their autonomy to act in an anonymous manner has been removed then they're unlikely to act at all, silence being the better part of discretion.

This would have huge negative repercussions for society, our institutions and our governance—after all, the secret ballot is one of the cornerstones of our democracies. If we're not careful AI could undermine the ballot by unmasking what users think or how they actually vote and it's not hard to see how this would lead to coercion thence totalitarian government.

That said, in this world of widespread almost instant communications, actors who intentionally act out of bad faith can do widespread damage, especially so when they do so anonymously. Knowing who they are would minimize the damage they are able to cause.

Similarly, in a distantly-related post on HN a few days ago I referred to the increasing loss of respect for our important institutions and for the way we're being governed and how I thought that faith could be restored. There, I suggested that as a part of that process we need to unmask the hidden processes of government and that this would also include the naming of those who originate policy, law, etc.:

"If we're to restore any faith in our governance then this protection [hiding originators of policy] must stop. Decisions made by government employees must be open to public scrutiny, similarly, the origins of government policy—laws, regulations etc.—must be traceable back to its source (those who initiated said policies).

Systems without accountability will always become corrupt."

Thus, there's a real dichotomy at work here. For some things anonymity is essential, at other times it's a curse. And from the many recent instances of where the gnomes within government haven't acted in our best interests then I'm damned sure that putting AI to work here won't bode well for us either.

I've little doubt that the technology will be abused, and by virtue of the fact it will automatically silence a large proportion of the population who need speak out and who should do so anonymously in the interests of all. Even if they aren't targeted directly just knowing that there are systems in place that have the potential to expose them would be sufficient to silence many—as AI analysis of their words could be used to determine their identity at any future time (living with ongoing stress from potential exposure of one's ID would likely be unbearable for some).

Given past history and current bad behavior of governments in these areas, I do not believe that it is possible to put such a system in place that would gain the full confidence of all players involved. It would have to have sufficient protections locked in place to provide full public accountability as well as having inbuilt mechanisms that would ensure the system could not be abused by governments. At present, such conditions cannot be realistically met—not by a long shot.

Before anyone or any entity could let AI loose on this project and simultaneously state with all honesty that sufficient protections were in place for the project to proceed with safety would require many other prerequisite protections and 'safety measures'—which currently do not exist—to be incorporated (locked) into our governance. For instance, a whole raft definitions and concomitant laws pertaining to privacy are needed—and that's just for starters.

No doubt this project will proceed without those prerequisite protections, ipso facto, it will also be abused.

PS: note my quoted point about government policy etc. being open to public scrutiny. Here such questions arise such as where did this idea originate, what are the names of its instigators and what are their motives for instigating this development—not to mention others such as what are their qualifications, experience, etc. (perhaps, given the enormous potential of this AI application to damage society, we may even need to pose questions concerning their political beliefs and allegiances).

It's no accident that this information is missing with this announcement.

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