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Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by pc86 »

someweirdperson wrote: post #32

Finally. Publish it all. Tracking of every vehicle, visible for everyone. It has been that way with aircraft for a long time. Pilots, however, are such a minority that noone really cares. Now that everyone is impacted, regulation might get updated (or someone might spend the time to identify existing regulation that prohibits this), and that would extend to other vehicles than those with wheels.

It's not even that pilots are a minority and that's why no one cares. It's that most air travel is commercial, and nobody cares if someone can see where exact UAL123 is at this moment. Nobody feels bad for some millionaire's private jet getting tracked, nobody feels bad for some expensive charter plane with $15k tickets getting tracked, and the only thing left is small GA aircraft, which nobody care about at all.

The pearl clutching from some pilots (not accusing you of this) around aircraft tracking, ADSB, etc., seems exceptionally silly to me.

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by miniBill »

someweirdperson wrote: post #32

Finally. Publish it all. Tracking of every vehicle, visible for everyone. It has been that way with aircraft for a long time. Pilots, however, are such a minority that noone really cares. Now that everyone is impacted, regulation might get updated (or someone might spend the time to identify existing regulation that prohibits this), and that would extend to other vehicles than those with wheels.

The difference is that "person went from airport X to airport Y" is WAY less private than, say "person went to Planned Parenthood clinic" or "person parked in front of union"

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by r2_pilot »

KoftaBob wrote: post #52
Consultant32452 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

> Several cities in the US were firebombed nightly for months in 2020. What? What is this referring to?

From the general tone of the rest of the comment, it's likely they're referring to actions taken adjacent to the Black Lives Matter protests which were depicted in some news media as being like a war zone. Oddly, none of the cities today look like, I don't know, Ukraine. But some people will make mountains from molehills.

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by matthewmcg »

arbitrage wrote: post #50
kleiba wrote: post #7

As long as privacy is not a granted right that enables you to sue offenders, there's not much you can do. The EU has at least started to realize the issue but giving the speed of technology vs. the pace of administration, it might be a losing battle.

Rights grant you the ability to sue others? Interesting take.

Sue others or the government. A right without a remedy isn't really a useful right.

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by pc86 »

arbitrage wrote: post #50
kleiba wrote: post #7

As long as privacy is not a granted right that enables you to sue offenders, there's not much you can do. The EU has at least started to realize the issue but giving the speed of technology vs. the pace of administration, it might be a losing battle.

Rights grant you the ability to sue others? Interesting take.

I mean, it makes sense.

If you have the "right" to $THING, but you have no redress if someone denies you $THING, you don't really have a right to it.

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by aqfamnzc »

arbitrage wrote: post #50
kleiba wrote: post #7

As long as privacy is not a granted right that enables you to sue offenders, there's not much you can do. The EU has at least started to realize the issue but giving the speed of technology vs. the pace of administration, it might be a losing battle.

Rights grant you the ability to sue others? Interesting take.

For violating those rights? Yeah, I would think so...

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by arethuza »

doublerabbit wrote: post #65
generalizations wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I'll bite. How would you do that? How do they stay connected and powered?

Within the UK, 4G sim cards and data are cheap. Android phone with tether capabilities, Raspberry Pi with solar and a webcam. Or even better to save all that faff, root a phone, run the drivers plate OCR software using the phones camera, stick to a gantry and send results via text message. You wouldn't even need live updates, pull the latest data at midnight each day. Text is cheap.

I suspect the computing and communication parts of a project like this are by far the easiest bits.

Weatherproofing the camera and solar panels, getting permission to get them installed, actually installing them (working at heights over busy roads) and then maintaining them would be pretty expensive. You might also have to pay rent to whoever owns gantries, and what about locations where there aren't any existing gantries?

What about insurance in case you camera falls off the gantry onto a car and kills someone?

Edit: What about roads that don't have network coverage (not that uncommon in the Scottish Highlands)

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by steelframe »

myself248 wrote: post #54
hunterb123 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bike is a great mode of transportation when you don't need to carry anything heavy, bulky, passengers etc. and when weather permits. It's not a replacement for a vehicle, nor will it ever be.

Or people with asthma or any number of other disabilities. Bike-centric design is transparently ableist.

> Or people with asthma or any number of other disabilities. Bike-centric design is transparently ableist.

Don't recumbent electric trikes largely address this issue? Someone unable to operate one of those isn't very likely to be able to operate other types of (larger and faster) vehicles.

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Post by acdha »

carlob wrote: post #69
myself248 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or people with asthma or any number of other disabilities. Bike-centric design is transparently ableist.

Bullshit: a city designed around bikes is a city designed around wheelchairs. Not to mention asthma never prevented anyone from cycling. Maybe you won't win the Tour, but you can definitely commute cycling with asthma if your city is designed around humans and not cars.

Asthma is an especially tragic claim since pollution from cars is believed to be responsible for millions of cases of asthma annually:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpla/article/PIIS2542-5...

Re: Traffic cameras expose your location through parking apps

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Post by kwhitefoot »

kleiba wrote: post #7

As long as privacy is not a granted right that enables you to sue offenders, there's not much you can do. The EU has at least started to realize the issue but giving the speed of technology vs. the pace of administration, it might be a losing battle.

The use of dash cams is effectively illegal in Austria on privacy grounds: https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/152064/are-dash-c...
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