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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

powerslacker wrote: post #63
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind providing citations of some of these cases?

I would mind. I can tell you that I have personal connections to persons who have abandoned their so called "sexual orientation". It is trivial to search for examples. There have been entire organizations of individuals claiming successful change of their sexual lifestyle. The problem is that you have a whole host of individuals and organizations who are opposed to the very concept of being able to change due to thei…

> You might have good luck discussing the issue with a competent Christian theologian or pastor.

My experience with people of faith has always been to be told that I must have faith in order to understand it. Is there a path to understanding that doesn't involve circular logic?

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Post by powerslacker »

Shared404 wrote: post #67
powerslacker wrote: post #66

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Not all conversion therapy is benign. If you are talking about using shock therapy then we are in agreement. That's not really what I'm talking about. Counseling could be an example of benign therapy - depending on the context. And yes, you are wrong.

> Counseling could be an example of benign therapy Even counseling based conversion therapy is not benign. It would get your license revoked as a therapist in most places (in the US, not familiar with other places) well before it was illegal. The problem with counseling based conversion therapy is it relies on guilt and manipulation of the person involved. > And yes, you are wrong. I'm afraid that you are one of the…

Sent you an email.

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Post by soulofmischief »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #55
tb_technical wrote: post #52

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I was raised Catholic, and none of that happened. You were raised by a lunatic.

You were probably raised by a kind of Catholic I call "Catholic Light". They pray, go to church, think of god from time to time, and that's about it. Hardcore Catholicism is scary like any extremist religion, it will instill in children the fear of being watched and judged all the time, with no place to hide, not even your thoughts. It will make you fear eternal torture in hell because you're impure since birth, and…

Yep.

Most of my early hacking endeavors and criminal mentality were developed while circumventing net nanny software and learning how to sneak and lie effectively.

I wasn't allowed a computer in my room, there were long stretches of time where I didn't have a door, and when I finally got a phone it was subject to daily random confiscation so that my texts could be read. I struggled deeply with a sense of identity.

Sorry you had to deal with that stuff, too. I know that you don't gain that kind of perspective without seeing it for yourself.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

powerslacker wrote: post #66
Shared404 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the illegalization of even benign therapy. Conversion therapy is not benign. Your phrasing here leads me to suspect that the personal connections you refer to are people who learned that it is easier to lie to those they know, and sometimes even themselves, than to take other options. I hope for their sake that I am wrong.

Not all conversion therapy is benign. If you are talking about using shock therapy then we are in agreement. That's not really what I'm talking about. Counseling could be an example of benign therapy - depending on the context. And yes, you are wrong.

> And yes, you are wrong.

Could you elaborate on this? How can you be certain that your personal acquaintances have not simply convinced themselves of something that is contradictory to their lived experience? It seems to me that social pressures could be very impactful to that end.

Your language conveys certainty, which is why I ask about that.

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Post by powerslacker »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #71
powerslacker wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would mind. I can tell you that I have personal connections to persons who have abandoned their so called "sexual orientation". It is trivial to search for examples. There have been entire organizations of individuals claiming successful change of their sexual lifestyle. The problem is that you have a whole host of individuals and organizations who are opposed to the very concept of being able to change due to thei…

> You might have good luck discussing the issue with a competent Christian theologian or pastor. My experience with people of faith has always been to be told that I must have faith in order to understand it. Is there a path to understanding that doesn't involve circular logic?

All appeals to an ultimate authority are circular by nature. Its the philosophical equivalent of bedrock.

That being said, you can understand Christianity and the Christian philosophy/worldview perfectly well without faith. You need faith in the capacity and work of the true and living God, the Lord Jesus, the Messiah in order to be saved from sin.

Intellectual understanding of the claims of Christianity and belief in its claims are totally separate.

This is one of the reasons you should speak to those who are competent teachers. You might try and ask Dr. James White if you have specific questions. I'm happy to continue the conversation here but the format is 'limiting' to say the least.

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Post by antifa »

uticus wrote: post #38
Karunamon wrote: post #12

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Could you share some of this evidence that hopefully isn't from obviously religious sources or religiously funded?

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> I guarantee you that religious funding can't hold a candle to funding available to the porn industry.

Got any evidence to support this claim? Seems like the opposite would be true, and even if not, still a shit ton of money available to fund some relatively simple studies.

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Post by powerslacker »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #74
powerslacker wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all conversion therapy is benign. If you are talking about using shock therapy then we are in agreement. That's not really what I'm talking about. Counseling could be an example of benign therapy - depending on the context. And yes, you are wrong.

> And yes, you are wrong. Could you elaborate on this? How can you be certain that your personal acquaintances have not simply convinced themselves of something that is contradictory to their lived experience? It seems to me that social pressures could be very impactful to that end. Your language conveys certainty, which is why I ask about that.

Sorry, but I will not elaborate.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #30
DHPersonal wrote: post #28

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There are so many different versions of Christianity that it would be extremely likely to receive contradictory answers to your question.

I am most curious about the ones who worship Evil God (the one who literally hates everything that humans consider good).

Sithrak, perhaps

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

powerslacker wrote: post #75
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You might have good luck discussing the issue with a competent Christian theologian or pastor. My experience with people of faith has always been to be told that I must have faith in order to understand it. Is there a path to understanding that doesn't involve circular logic?

All appeals to an ultimate authority are circular by nature. Its the philosophical equivalent of bedrock. That being said, you can understand Christianity and the Christian philosophy/worldview perfectly well without faith. You need faith in the capacity and work of the true and living God, the Lord Jesus, the Messiah in order to be saved from sin. Intellectual understanding of the claims of Christianity and belief i…

I see; unfortunately, that's a disappointing answer. Maybe it's also worth pointing this out:

> Intellectual understanding of the claims of Christianity and belief in its claims are totally separate.

I don't think I've ever seen a clear separation of these things. At any rate, if I choose not to believe in the claims then I will be unwelcome by the congregation. In practice, these things seem to go hand-in-hand most commonly.

Also, I would like to thank you for taking the time to reply thoughtfully! I do believe you've been very honest and approaching the conversation in good faith (I have difficulty reading this without it coming off as snide, so please just take it at face value).

(I'm sorry if it is frustrating but I am personally not interested in continuing this conversation privately.)

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Post by Shared404 »

powerslacker wrote: post #72
Shared404 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Counseling could be an example of benign therapy Even counseling based conversion therapy is not benign. It would get your license revoked as a therapist in most places (in the US, not familiar with other places) well before it was illegal. The problem with counseling based conversion therapy is it relies on guilt and manipulation of the person involved. > And yes, you are wrong. I'm afraid that you are one of the…

Sent you an email.

Just checked - I don't appear to have received the email.

It's possible the spam filter ate it, though I didn't find it in my Junk folder. You can send it to evan@ the same domain if it turns out that that is the case.

Also - this is an open invitation. Anyone who wishes to discuss this from any perspective (or honestly anything interesting) is welcome to send me a message.

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