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Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by netmonk »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #26
anonupennprof wrote: post #11

This may very well be the eve of WW3. The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO. This formal declaration by Russia is basically saying they are about to stop holding back. They have purposefully avoid destroying infrastructure like water and power in ukraine for an unusually long time. They also have been sending their b-c teams not their…

> The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO. Evidence? NATO is sending a lot of materiel and weapons. NATO is helping with intelligence. If that's what you mean by "core operations", maybe I can see it. More than that? Let's see the evidence.

Wait the paper is under peer review. This was not clear the experiment was in double blind procedure so the author have to rework the paper before acceptance.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

diimdeep wrote: post #58

Can anyone clarify something that I have recently heard in interview (Russian language)[1]: that U.S. citizens believe that U.S. defeated Nazis and won WW2, and not USSR. Is this in your experience is mostly true or false ? [1] https://youtu.be/Q0oRii7zV9A?t=1973

Yes I believe this is true reflection of Western opinion.

There was an article a while back that showed a much higher recognition of Soviet efforts and sacrifices in WW2 immedistely after the war ended but tapering away ever since.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by kranke155 »

ROTMetro wrote: post #52
kranke155 wrote: post #41

Is this even appropriate for HN? Is this related to tech somehow? Seems having this sort of post here, all it does is bring out Reddit level bad takes.

Funny that in all criticism of Russia on HK, every opposing post has to include reference to Reddit. You are not going to manipulate people so easily. 'Oh man, come on guys, you're sharing positions with those simple minded Reddit posters'. How about you just make an argument on it's merits, instead of injecting your own bad take?

How about limiting this forum to what it’s supposed to cover?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by kranke155 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #57
kranke155 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They invaded with less than 300k. It is doubtful that Ukraine has a similar number of professional soldiers (excluding Territorial Defence ). It’s possible that this will give them an overwhelming force.

Ukraine didn't have 300k when Russia invaded. They may have more now. Anyone have data? And, 300k without artillery, tanks, air support, and logistics isn't an overwhelming force. Does Russia have the rest of what it takes to make them an effective force?

Russia’s main problem throughout has been their lack of manpower. Yes it could be they don’t have the equipment to equip a force this large, it could be that even giving them warehoused Soviet equipment is enough to make them effective on the ground agaisnt Ukraine.

Like my favourite defense analyst likes to say “war is contingent”.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by def_true_false »

ajl666 wrote: post #35
def_true_false wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMerIcA bAd, ANti-amEricA goOD !1!1!! Non-existent moderation and both side-ism is killing HN. Now the median post is barely better than reddit, but with lots of DK and idiotic contrarian garbage up top. @dang what's it gonna take for you to do start deleting this crap? A nuke?

That's not a rebuttal dummy. Do you want the legitimacy debate confers your position? Then debate. None of my points are any one else's talking points. That's a sign of a non-dogmatic thinker, dummy.

You ignore that entities other than 'the West' (one homogenous blob apparently) and Russia have agency. NATO doesn't expand, countries voluntarily join because they don't want Russia to fuck them over (again). Your points have been made by Mearsheimer and his ilk many times before. You people keep asserting that Russia is a superpower without backing it up with anything. Your worldview is stuck in the Cold War, you are unable to absorb new information. As was made clear by recent events, having nukes is not sufficient to be a superpower. Hell, fucking Pakistan has nukes. Iran, too, what a superpower, right? Maybe we should ask all of them for permission before we use the shitter, eh?

It's not like the mainstream US narrative is correct either, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. One of the bigger reasons we are in this mess is that 'the West' was too timid, not because it was too aggressive. If you give Russia an inch, they are (and always were) going to take a mile, because they see willingness to compromise as weakness. Weakness provokes, strength deters. But what the fuck do I know, I only live in a post-communist country. I'm sure some tankie or a champagne socialist will be along shortly to explain that if only we would all be nice to each other we would live in some post scarcity Star Trek paradise already and why the military budget should be used to house the poor instead...

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by heneryville »

theironhammer wrote: post #43
kranke155 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nonsense commment. Are you trying to say Biden saying something puts Putin is some kind of impossible position? This is an imperialist war of choice.

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Why do people keep throwing out John Meersheimer like we've never heard of him before. We're 6 months into this thing and we've read him by now. We just think he's wrong. Is he still asking for a return to the Minsk accords like that's even plausible at this point? Meersheimer hasn't really added much new thought since the war started. Mostly it's just, "we could have avoided this by giving Putin what he wanted", which is an un-provable assertion.

The war happened. It's here. Now let's deal with it. Putin trying to kill my friends in Ukraine is pretty black and white to me.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by Garvi »

secabeen wrote: post #49
Garvi wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's actually amazing to witness is an A-list Hollywood director making a documentary on the CIA financing of neo-nazi groups inside Ukraine and their involvement in the killing of Donbass civillians in the civil war now raging for over 8 years and being censored so effectively, few US citizen seem to know about it. Another fact I find amazing is the maidan revolution being televised for weeks across the globe on a…

If you are making claims about suppressed media, why not include links to said media or information about them? Some might be interested in the documentary or the speech you mentioned.

Fully intentional. As well as not mentioning the name of the prominent Hollywood director. If you're too afraid to google it, the 1984 comments in this thread bashing Russia will create their own gravity well from the irony displayed. Am a EU citizen, a communicologist and programmer.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by alkonaut »

theironhammer wrote: post #42
nostrademons wrote: post #2

So deciphering the double-speak: Russia is instituting a draft, they consider Crimea part of Russia's territorial integrity, efforts to dehumanize the opposition or paint it as a shadowy international conspiracy continue, and they're threatening nuclear war. Get ready for WW3.

The Nuclear War threat is not a joke. Just imagine if China or Russia had the same activities in Mexico or Canada that the USA/NATO has had in the Ukraine over many years. How would Washington react?

What activities are that? And was it these activities that made it possible to completely ignore international laws on territorial integrity and warrant and invade Ukraine outright?

No.

All this “but USA!”, “but NATO!”, “but the Nazis!” whataboutism is complete nonsense.

It doesn’t even begin to explain one country invading a neighbor with 125k men, leveling entire cities and killing thousands of civilians.

Even making hypothetical Mexico comparisons is impossible without focusing the debate around something other than the invasion and therefore sounding like a Russia apologist.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by alkonaut »

ajl666 wrote: post #29

It's sad to see how easily westerners are mislead by our own leaders, who ape Soviet contempt for constituents and maliciously ignore voter inputs. You should at least make an effort to see things from the Russian point of view. To say there's nothing valid in the Russian state's actions, is really idiotic. 1) Are post WW2 borders sacred? 2) The dissolution of the USSR was chaotic, unnegotiated, and basically due to…

> Are post WW2 borders sacred?

You can stop reading here

They aren’t. But the only international law that matters says you don’t try to change borders by force. You don’t murder civilians or stage fake referendums to annex territories.

There is no “other perspective” worth nothing other than as an excercise in trying to predict the criminals next step.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by trasz »

orwin wrote: post #65
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine didn't have 300k when Russia invaded. They may have more now. Anyone have data? And, 300k without artillery, tanks, air support, and logistics isn't an overwhelming force. Does Russia have the rest of what it takes to make them an effective force?

No. They have less than 800 multipurpose and attack planes combined (because i don't want to explain it in another comment: they have air superiority, so their fighter plan count isn't relevant). If we consider Russian hardware as well maintained as France or US, it means 650 available planes max for offensive operations. A bit more than 50 planes are confirmed destroyed, so I'll round it up to 600. That means 300 so…

Russia doesn't have air superiority. That's the suspected reason they hadn't been using their air force very much. And it will only get worse to them, because of NATO air defenses.
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