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Re: America’s Open Wound

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... Are you seriously implying that the Jan6 riot didn't happen? Despite all the video proof of it? I'm starting to think "Trump Derangement Syndrome" actually is a thing, but it's not his detractors that have it, it's his supporters.

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Re: America’s Open Wound

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Well I think this article does a good job of saying CIA has done some crazy stuff. But then it goes from there to -> so let's get rid of it, which to me seems like potentially a much scarier proposition. It's not clear to me exactly how real the threat of foreign countries trying to tamper with our elections is, but if this is what the CIA does, I think it's probably naive to think no other nation would try things li…

> 8-year-old girls shouldn't be assassinated, but I don't think that sentence needed a "but" part

Was she assassinated? I'm not sure that is clear. She was shot.

Re: America’s Open Wound

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A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…

I'm guessing he'd rather be in the USA, if it meant he weren't thrown in a prison cell and possibly executed for treason.

Anyway, what a cynical point of view. Yes, we tend to treat our own citizens here moderately well compared to a totalitarian state (real high bar there). And that's great, but when it comes to international relations, it seems foreigners or even some citizens abroad are viewed as obstacles, at best. This is not a great way to conduct foreign policy. First of all, it's morally wrong, for the same reason you don't want a country doing these things to its own citizens. But if that is unconvincing, then at least an appeal to self-interest: should we ever find ourselves not in the position as #1 superpower, our past actions will likely come back to haunt us.

Re: America’s Open Wound

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Did any American read this without alarm? If so, why not?

I didn't. None of this is really new info, most of it's been through the media before. Nobody cared enough to do anything then, and I'm doubtful they will now.

It's not particularly shocking that the force responsible for foreign psyops is somehow really good at escaping domestic criticism.

The FBI is complicit as well, they've also got a long history of sordid affairs.

Re: America’s Open Wound

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A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…

Where else do you think he’ll be safe from US vengeance?

China.

Re: America’s Open Wound

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it is not clear what could be done should an intelligence agency turn rogue, and become operationally independent from the government. It's basically a non-democratic power centre which - because it is not subject to elections - will always outlast any politician, and because of the nature of the work, has vast powers of direct and indirect influence. Good job that this is not the case in the US

That's why there are typically multiple secret services (with different missions but similar skillsets). They are encouraged to spy on each other. None is allowed to dominate everyone else.

Remember the movie Valkyrie? It provides another vivid illustration of what can be done to reign in a secret police once the army rolls in. The very same thing happened in the USSR during the power struggles after Stalin died.

Re: America’s Open Wound

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A bit hypocritical of Snowden to criticize the USA while holed up in Russia. But maybe I'm a bit partial considering the USSR destroyed every semblance of culture and national identity in my home country, causing generations of corruption and trauma, and ultimately emboldening my family to move to the States--abandoning lifelong friends and family--where a much better life was possible. But please, keep lecturing us…

It _is_ hypocritical of him, of course, but despite the hypocrisy he does have lessons for us and his hypocrisy does not negate the substance of the lessons. He's also between a rock and a hard pace. So I don't blame him too much. What I will say, is that if you choose to be a whistleblower, as honorable and moral that can be, you should be aware of and assume the consequences. That's the deal. It's not nice and the…

Is it hypocritical? No. Inconsistent? (This is the difference between an act of commission and an lie of omission) Yes, but potentially only temporary. Would Snowden speak out against Russia if the US dropped charges and let him come home? Who can say?

Re: America’s Open Wound

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Did any American read this without alarm? If so, why not?

Already well aware our alphabet agencies are deeply problematic. But that's hardly unique to the US. We do need better accountability - something that we've lacked.

Keep in mind it's Snowden - the guy who insisted prior to Feb 24th that all that talk about Russian military build-up was just war-mongering. Turns out the NSA and CIA were right on the money.

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