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Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by josefx »

ElCheapo wrote: post #51
josefx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Isn't Chromium completely open source? No, especially not if you want to watch videos, the DRM plugin is a binary blob that only Google approved browsers get to run. Then there are all the Google services that will break in unexpected ways in your browser, sometimes just because your user agent isn't identical to Chromes if past reports from Firefox users are any indication. Basically expect to be shit on by the big…

I mean, if the DRM wasn't a blob it would be open source. Andnif it were open source it wouldn't be DRM...

It could be controlled by a third party that isn't trying to dominate the browser market. And Google already caused issues years ago when it side loaded that plugin on open source distros and initially refused to provide an option to disable this behavior in chromium.

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by pessimizer »

devwastaken wrote: post #38
olso wrote: post #2

Chromium team has not commented on this bug with 650+ stars (within top 10 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?sort=-stars... issues) in months

It's cases such as these invalidate the "they're not acting with malice". Thousands of google employees see this stuff, and are clearly being told they can't talk about it.

You haven't applied Hanlon's Razor properly. They're just coordinating incompetence that they find beneficial, not being malicious.

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by Caspy7 »

imbnwa wrote: post #60
pkulak wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And every time there's a bunch of replies about how great Brave is, and everyone should just use that... Chromium wrapper.

Brave has publicly declared support for Manifest v2 in perpetuity, no? They even seem to be pondering how to distribute v2 extensions post-sunset in Google Chrome[0] [0] https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15187

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152

> Brave will support uBO and uMatrix so long as Google doesn’t remove underlying V2 code paths (which seem to be needed for Chrome for enterprise support, so should stay in the Chromium open source). Will Google Chrome Web Store really kick them out over V2? We will host if needed.

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534905779630661633

> > I’d be interested to hear a plan for Brave on what will happen if upstream removes the code paths needed for pre-v3 ad blockers.

> We could fork them back in at higher maintenance cost. No point in speculating — I don’t write checks of unknown amount and sign them, and Google looks likely to keep V2 support for a year (thanks be to “enterprise”).

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by quotemstr »

yegor wrote: post #4

As a proxy extension developer, this is absolutely maddening. We're forced to choose between auth-less open proxies (bad), or baking in a wacky authentication scheme through a side channel (also bad). MV3 drops in 2.5 months, and will leave tens of millions of proxy extension users unable to use products they paid money for. This is all on top of the many other issues with MV3 that Google is pushing under the guise o…

Could you run an auth-free proxy on localhost that in turn forwards traffic to a remote proxy that does require auth? You could have your intermediate proxy expose a local interface for configuration.

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by eastendguy »

yegor wrote: post #9
rasz wrote: post #8

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V3 will improve performance of ads division.

Where is EU when you need them with their anti-trust litigation. Google is pulling a 2000s Microsoft.

There is an easy alternative: Use Firefox

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by LegitShady »

pkulak wrote: post #34
vlunkr wrote: post #28

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And the stupid prize is what? You might have to use a different browser? Doesn't seem that serious to me.

The stupid prize is that by the time you decide it's time to use a different browser, Firefox and Safari have been rendered totally unusable by developers only targeting Chrome because that's all they have to do.

I use firefox every day without issue.

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by jorvi »

pkulak wrote: post #36
jerheinze wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like no one was making warnings about this.

And every time there's a bunch of replies about how great Brave is, and everyone should just use that... Chromium wrapper.

To be honest, I don’t understand why people keep acting like Google has control over Chrome(ium) with some iron fist. It’s dual open license. Microsoft is contributing so many patches that they have a decent amount of sway over it already. If Google ever truly steps over the line, Microsoft will just fork it and everyone will swap their upstream to Microsoft-Chromium..

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by imbnwa »

Caspy7 wrote: post #73
imbnwa wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave has publicly declared support for Manifest v2 in perpetuity, no? They even seem to be pondering how to distribute v2 extensions post-sunset in Google Chrome[0] [0] https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/15187

https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534893414579249152 > Brave will support uBO and uMatrix so long as Google doesn’t remove underlying V2 code paths (which seem to be needed for Chrome for enterprise support, so should stay in the Chromium open source). Will Google Chrome Web Store really kick them out over V2? We will host if needed. https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1534905779630661633 > > I’d be interest…

I see my misunderstanding, they're specifically maintaining the webRequest interface

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by GauntletWizard »

pessimizer wrote: post #72
devwastaken wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's cases such as these invalidate the "they're not acting with malice". Thousands of google employees see this stuff, and are clearly being told they can't talk about it.

You haven't applied Hanlon's Razor properly. They're just coordinating incompetence that they find beneficial, not being malicious.

Sufficiently weaponized incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

Re: Proxy Chrome extensions are not going to be usable in MV3

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Post by lolinder »

LegitShady wrote: post #76
pkulak wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stupid prize is that by the time you decide it's time to use a different browser, Firefox and Safari have been rendered totally unusable by developers only targeting Chrome because that's all they have to do.

I use firefox every day without issue.

I use it every day as my primary browser, but there's definitely been an increase in applications that will not work except on Chrome. It's not text content that's ever the issue, it's SaaS products.
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