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Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by jhickok »

nyc640 wrote: post #8
pinewurst wrote: post #2

What’s strange here is OpenShift as a target. The last I looked, VMs were just getting initial support - certainly not enough functionality or proving to encourage one to rehost 100k VMs onto it as a platform. Also why the assumption that IBM would treat them better than Broadcom/CA?

A commenter on the thread mentioned the VMWare price hikes, so it could be as simple as IBM sensing an opportunity to poach customers from VMWare (probably more overlap in potential customers than AWS/GCP/Azure) and aggressively selling OpenShift to the C-suite with a promise of "if we can get a deal done this year, we'll give you heavily discounted pricing for X years". It does seem a bit strange that all of these r…

Unless something has changed recently, IBM doesn't push OpenShift but rather Cloud Paks which are tailored solutions built on OpenShift. IBM sellers don't get paid on vanilla OpenShift.

I think if the story is to believed, the Red Hat sellers dedicated to big Fortune 500 accounts were given marching orders to reach out about recent negative publicity regarding vmware and the c-suite is asking for pricing/feature comparisons. This doesn't seem sudden or disturbing but rather what happens multiple times a year.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by jb_s »

jiggawatts wrote: post #57
sceptically wrote: post #18

I am struggeling so hard... IT departments of two customer companies just moved VMs with a one week deadline to Azure and everything stopped working and I have the responsibility as external developer... Weird SSL errors I have no clue how to fix. I think they are talking about my clients in this reddit post.

> Weird SSL errors Wild stab in the dark: the only things that would kill SSL/TLS on a disk-image based lift & shift where the certificates and associated config moves with the VM are: - An internal Certificate Revocation List (CRL) Distribution Point (CDP) was forgotten about and not moved along with everything else. These are often Enterprise PKI certificate authorities on servers like AD domain controllers. Admins…

Azure stopped supporting TLS 1.1 recently as well.

If these are old systems, it could be this... if they're running .NET apps compiled against framework pre... 4.7? 4.8? TLS ain't gonna work...

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by bluGill »

jasonhansel wrote: post #13

My suspicion: these CEOs are trying to scope out the cost of adopting OpenShift, so that, when they're negotiating prices with VMWare, they can show how much money they would save with OpenShift in the long term. This may be essentially just an attempt to gain some negotiating leverage in the face of potential VMWare price hikes.

Not to mention that you need to have the ability to switch anyway in case there is some other problem with VMWare. Anytime you have a single supplier that you depend on you should have some mitigation plan ready to go should that supplier fail you. The mitigation plan may be a lot more expensive than the supplier you are using, the goal isn't to use them it is just to ensure you have an option.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by sofixa »

doubled112 wrote: post #60
zhdc1 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second Proxmox. While our footprint is likely much smaller than many of the other folks on here, it's been a life saver for managing LXCs.

Another Proxmox vote here, even if I'm also small scale. Proxmox has been solid and near problem free for our simple deployment As far as Linux system containers go, is the landscape still raw LXC, LXD, and Proxmox? LXD snap had caused some issues for me. I didn't have any issues with it when it was packaged as a distribution package. Plus I briefly considered it again when VM management came out, but Proxmox still w…

Disclaimer: I work at Hashicorp.

There's also Nomad which has an LXC plugin alongside all the others.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by sithadmin »

ik8s wrote: post #21

This looks fake. I just imagine someone shorting VMware’s stock on the other side of the keyboard… but who knows.

I quit my role at VMware a couple years ago to return to consulting. Nearly client I have worked with since then has dramatic reduction of vSphere footprint, if not outright elimination, on their roadmap.

VMware was burning bridges long before the Broadcom announcement. Broadcom is fuel on the fire.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by bluGill »

spoonjim wrote: post #40
iforgotpassword wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As VMware is getting considerably more expensive it's reasonable to assume some CEOs are aware of that. It would be enough if one or two of them for one reason for another googled "cheap virtualization" or talked to some "tech guy" and somehow "Linux is cheap/free and can do virtualization" is what stuck with them. Then they talk to their friends at the golf club and after a while the topic reaches critical mass in t…

There are close to 0 Fortune 500 CEOs who would be DIRECTLY reaching out to Linux virtualization companies. There could easily be a CEO who convenes a meeting with the CIO and COO to "Find 10% savings on operational software costs" but the idea that they are directly reaching out to vendors is one of those "tell me you've never worked with a Fortune 500 C-suite without telling me that you've never worked with a Fortu…

That depends on the company. Some companies spend a lot more on tech than others. CEOs tend to be aware of where the high costs are, so if your company spends a lot on Tech, I could see the CEO knowing at least something about it.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by sithadmin »

pixelbeat__ wrote: post #64

Possibly related to recent VMWare SEC fraud charges https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32834988

I seriously doubt there is a single executive or IT decision-maker in the world that will drop VMware because they were accused of revenue-smoothing.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by jupp0r »

Havoc wrote: post #41
jupp0r wrote: post #19

How is this disturbing? People moving away from Windows must make everyone happy in my book. Probably just leverage in contract negotiations with VMWare as other comments have pointed out though.

It’s the sysadmins sub - ie the crowd dealing with the fallout when migrations go bad. So sudden big moves of questionable technical merit are disturbing to them

Sure, but if you have ever administered Windows vs Linux servers, you’ll know which is much more pleasant to work with. Being on the hoo for the migration though …

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by netrap »

ForHackernews wrote: post #39

Top comment: > VMWare had a price hike in August and is going to a very aggressive subscription model so that may play a role here. Sounds like CEOs trying to gain leverage in negotiating with VMWare.

Yes, and there are comments about Broadcom's history of price gouging after acquisitions.

Re: Sudden disturbing moves for IT in large companies, mandated by CEOs

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Post by faeriechangling »

pixelbeat__ wrote: post #64

Possibly related to recent VMWare SEC fraud charges https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32834988

I'm about 100x more concerned that VMware got bought out by Broadcom than I am that VMware is led by fraudsters.
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