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Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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post #47

Is anyone applying deep learning to weather forecasting? Seems like there might be a disruption opportunity there.

Yes, there have been many ML efforts in weather forecasting, but I'm not sure many/any have been successful. The bar for success is pretty high, because you have to beat raw data collection and real physics equations that model the atmosphere. Generally, the physics and raw data with models are beating the ML. At least, last I checked - some years ago.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a weather app. There is no monopoly on weather info. The data is pretty much public and anyone could start their own alternative.

I believe the point of Dark Sky was that they used air-pressure sensor data from the phones they were installed on. That was the secret sauce that (used to) power their hyper-local forecasts.

I had never heard of this before, but a quick Google search did turn up a bunch of news stories from 2015 [1] covering the announcement of this feature. I'm not sure if it's something they still do, though, and I haven't really heard anything about it since then.

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/dark-sky-weather-app-iphone-6-...

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#73
post #38

A platform buying up cross-platform apps and making them uni-platform really should be slam dunk anti-trust. It's obviously anti-consumer and concentration of market power.

More than a decade ago, I blamed the victims. I still do, in a way. When you build on top of someone else's platform, you are engaged in digital sharecropping. The platform owner acts like they own your customers, and you are tilling the landlord's fields in exchange for 70% of what you can earn selling your app.

You may think the landlord is taking an outrageous cut of "your" sales, but the landlord thinks they own the relationship with their customer, and you only exist to do product/market fit and sizing research for them.

Joel Spolsky put it extremely well way back in the day in his "Strategy Letter V:" All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease... Smart companies try to commoditize their products’ complements.

(Link: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/ Recent HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26657166)

Platforms always want to commoditize the apps that run on top of their platform. If they don't buy you and bundle your product, they'll do everything in their power to drive your revenue down until you are living on ramen noodles.

Anti-trust might help stop them from turning cross-platform apps into uni-platform apps, but the larger problem that remains unsolved is that platforms are powerful and it is in their best interests to drive app revenue down to zero.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which case, it sounds like there was no need for Apple to buy this.

The reason seems pretty simple, because it was cheaper to buy it than to pay their own people to try and recreate it.

Funny, you just explained how easy it was. But now it's so hard that Apple engineers can't just rebuild the parts they need?

I think the simpler explanation is one you'll find in many comments here: Dark Sky was unusually good, and Apple bought it to get all that goodness to themselves.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#75
post #69

It's funny how this is posted two days after I finished my Weather web app which uses Dark Sky's free API: https://weather-dj.netlify.app/ Let's hope that in the future Apple continues to deliver the same API structure as Dark Sky did, because it will be a big shame if they did some changes or limitations to it. Although I only use this app mostly for my personal use, the effort that I've put into this would be for n…

Apple's replacement for the Dark Sky API is here:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#76
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It definitely does not have the same functionality, you can only see the current temp/precip prob %/humidity/dewpoint/wind speed/etc, you can’t see the forecasted stats I listed in the iOS weather app, you can only get hour by hour temperature. I’m very disappointed that Dark Sky is going away. If Apple added in the ability to see forecasted hour by hour wind speed/humidity/dew point/etc, it’d be a decent replacement…

> I’m very disappointed that Dark Sky is going away. If Apple added in the ability to see forecasted hour by hour wind speed/humidity/dew point/etc, it’d be a decent replacement. In iOS 16 (and in macOS Ventura, which adds the Weather app), you can view hourly temperature, UV index, wind speed, precipitation, feels like, humidity, visibility, and pressure, on a graph. You can also tap and hold to view individual hour…

What about the "time machine" feature in Dark Sky? I really like being able to look in the past/future arbitrarily.

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#77
DarkSky has a very nice UI... but the actual weather data and predictions seem lackluster at best.

If they were confident in their predictions, they'd compare against competitors - for example, "If you use our 3-hour weather prediction to decide the best time to go for a 20 minute jog each day, you'll stay dry 16% more of the time than using NOAA weather predictions".

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#78
post #16

What weather app are people using on Android? I'm currently using Geometric Weather + MyRadar: https://f-droid.org/packages/wangdaye.com.geometricweather/ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acmeaom.an...

yr.no

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.nrk.yr&hl=e...

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#79
post #5

Upsetting about the app, but the new iOS weather app has the functionality essentially. The real gut wrencher is the darksky website going down. It’s how I check weather most of the time a no other browser weather site comes close to it in simplicity and features.

Oh wow I did not notice that the weather app has maps of all area thermometers now

Thats what I used wunderground and dark sky for

can finally uninstall wunderground for good, thanks!

Re: Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

#80
post #69

It's funny how this is posted two days after I finished my Weather web app which uses Dark Sky's free API: https://weather-dj.netlify.app/ Let's hope that in the future Apple continues to deliver the same API structure as Dark Sky did, because it will be a big shame if they did some changes or limitations to it. Although I only use this app mostly for my personal use, the effort that I've put into this would be for n…

From the blog post: "The Dark Sky API and website will continue to function until March 31st, 2023."

"Developers, Apple’s new WeatherKit API lets you incorporate Apple Weather forecast data into your app and is available for iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and web."

Sorry for your loss :-/

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