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Re: The AI Unbundling

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Although we talk a lot about disruption, only very few technologies are truly disruptive. You can tell by the panic and awe in the air whether you're dealing with real disruption or incremental change. Dropbox made filesharing easier. It's a good product, but not disruptive. Nobody panicked that Dropbox would make their job redundant. Uber was hard on the taxi industry, but fundamentally you still have drivers taking…

> People will insist that SD art isn't real art. Artists will fight back, and lose. When talking about Stable Diffusion and art there are usually two different aspects of art. I am not going to try to define art, but sometimes we refer to art as illustration, or stock images (what SD puts in danger) and some as broad modern art. I am no trying to say that one is more valuable than the other, but want to qualify these…

Art in the sense of gallery art is a social phenomenon. Nobody cares about the paint splashes with a meaningful interpretation on the placard from some high school student in Nebraska, but the same thing at a hip NYC gallery from the right NYU student with the right mentors could be a big break.

This isn't a cheap shot on art (the same can be said for many things people enjoy, including much of fiction). It's to say that I think that this will replace "art as a low margin service" but not "the art world."

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Although we talk a lot about disruption, only very few technologies are truly disruptive. You can tell by the panic and awe in the air whether you're dealing with real disruption or incremental change. Dropbox made filesharing easier. It's a good product, but not disruptive. Nobody panicked that Dropbox would make their job redundant. Uber was hard on the taxi industry, but fundamentally you still have drivers taking…

>Stable Diffusion (and similar tools) fall in this last category of truly disruptive technologies. It's going to destroy the livelihoods of the majority of independent artists in a way that looks inevitable to me. These new tools boost artist productivity by 100x and that means good artists will be producing much more art than ever before.

I'll believe it when I see it. How many self sufficient, independent digital artists are actually making a living doing something other than webcomics or furryporn? SD is amazing technology for sure, but this notion that it's going to incredibly disruptive is the latest in a long line of AI hype. It ignores the simple fact that there is already more art produced and uploaded onto the internet, every hour, than can meaningfully be consumed. Independent artists already had to compete with millions of art uploaded very minute, what is a few million more?

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you under the impression that right now, as of today, the publicly-available AI models are ready to replace humans for all types of art outside of scientific and technical illustration? Because that's not true at all. The AI can't even draw hands yet. To say nothing of its ability to handle multiple people and objects interacting in complex scenes. I'm concerned that the discussions about AI art on forums like HN…

> I don't think there's been any industry that's been ended by AI yet, and yet people are strangely confident that art is going to be the first. Technology is making something that used to take a lot of practice and skill be accesible to those without any of it. A monkey can now draw two ovals, label it an owl, and run an image-to-image conversion with Stable Diffusion to get a pretty good sketch of an owl [1]. Is it…

But if I want a good picture of an owl, I Google "owl" and get many more options than I could possibly ever have time to pick from. Stable Diffusion is essentially doing the same thing as Google, except presenting a kind of average result instead of showing me all the results in its DB.

Now, this may actually be helpful in that it gets around copyright claims - but that's the only real difference.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Hottake on skimming the article: people don't yet fully get where this is going (fast).

In the unbundling story, the premise is I gather that what is disruptive atm is that what's left as the god-in-the-gaps human role, is now democratized in the the technological acceleration in the the creation-substantiation phase at the head of the snake.

What we need to start preparing for is that the creation phase is next; it's a mere engineering problem.

Yes, that's somewhat sardonic; it's going to take some years. But only some.

What I am saying is, before we are ready, the aspects which remain human-domain in the cybernetic collaboration between humans and AI in what well call "content generation," namely, the agency and the intention—the "idea" which today is, the prompt; the editorial and curatorial functions; the insight and lightbulb and all...

...that is going to become the domain of the AI as well.

What inspires "art" or whatever else?

The filtering of media streams (aka cultural discourse, the zeitgeist) and the identification of symmetries, analogies, serendipity, humor... whatever that is, it like the "substantiation" phase is going to be ceded to the super-human in a few years.

I speculated recently to a friend that the way the fine-art market reacts to this is going to be interesting. We're going to have Wintermute on tap. I wondered if gallerists will represent AIs, or, spin them up long enough for them to emit some stream of work then be ceremoniously destroyed.

Per Ex Machina that may not go so well in various ways.

Anyway. The writing is on the wall.

And it's not in OUR handwriting.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Good article, although "unbundling" is an odd choice of word. Before AI, the execution step was necessary, but not necessarily attached to the "coming up with an idea" step. Conceptual artists have for years (centuries?) produced ideas that were executed by others. AI makes the execution step near-instantaneous and almost free. It kind of erases it. It's more disintermediation than unbundling. Execution artists are b…

At least as it works now, on a given system, you can generate an identical image given the exact same prompt and the same random seed. That is assuming you are using the exact same software version and model version and the exact same graphics card.

Plus, I can't imagine it ever becoming faster to generate a 512x512 image using AI than transmitting the full image over a network.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you under the impression that right now, as of today, the publicly-available AI models are ready to replace humans for all types of art outside of scientific and technical illustration? Because that's not true at all. The AI can't even draw hands yet. To say nothing of its ability to handle multiple people and objects interacting in complex scenes. I'm concerned that the discussions about AI art on forums like HN…

> Because that's not true at all. The AI can't even draw hands yet. To say nothing of its ability to handle multiple people and objects interacting in complex scenes. This seems to be purely an issue of the size of the network. Parti ( https://parti.research.google/ ) demonstrates that as the number of parameters increases, with no change to the underlying architecture, a lot of these problems simply go away. Basical…

Well, we’ll see how it performs, if it’s ever made public.

The 20B images don’t look that much more impressive than what SD is already doing (aside from the ability to render text), and in some cases they look worse. It’s hard to tell because the resolution is so small, but even in the 20B “astronaut riding a horse through a pond” image, it looks like his hands are still nonsensical.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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These recent developments make wonder whether in 30 years we aren't streaming movies anymore, and instead entire personalized movies will be generated for us on demand, based on a few keywords and our past history of rating movies, browser activity, search terms, or whatever else the machines will know about us.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Although we talk a lot about disruption, only very few technologies are truly disruptive. You can tell by the panic and awe in the air whether you're dealing with real disruption or incremental change. Dropbox made filesharing easier. It's a good product, but not disruptive. Nobody panicked that Dropbox would make their job redundant. Uber was hard on the taxi industry, but fundamentally you still have drivers taking…

> Stable Diffusion (and similar tools) fall in this last category of truly disruptive technologies.

I really don't see it. What tools like SD, DALL-E etc do is essentially similar to what Google Image Search does, except that the results are presented differently - instead of showing you the results it has indexed in some order, it picks features from the results it has trained on with some priority, and presents a kind of amalgam view of the entire collection at once.

The only significant advantage compared to Google Image Search is that AI-generated art is getting around copyright, allowing you to publish it legally under your own name. This makes it very similar to Uber, which got around taxi regulations that were impeding market access.

Essentially, if we ignore copyright, there are relatively few illustration problem you could have where DALL-E/SD/... would help more than searching for an existing image. Branding is an obvious one, where the need for unique-ness is not only legal, but also practical. The other is that DALL-E/SD/etc can also sometimes produce combinations of unrelated images, thought that is offset by just how bad their results are in other places where there is plenty of existing art to choose from (especially anything involving images of humans).

Re: The AI Unbundling

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You quite studiously compared every ostensible disruption to the preceding state of the art to (quite convincingly IMO) reveal the material consequeces to be… less than world shattering, shall we say. Your example of Amazon and walmart does the converse. And yet, with «stable diffusion» it is just so. Disruption is declared wholesale, without even passing mention of the preceding state of the art of computer generate…

I don't see it. Can you expand a little more by what you mean here?

Gp calls out certain declarations of disruption to be hot air, then argues the point.

Gp then proceeds to declare «Stable Diffusion» to be Capital D disruptive, bemoans the unfortunate destiny of the world’s now disrupted artists but, curiously, does in fact not argue the point.

Re: The AI Unbundling

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But those "force multipliers" have also eradicated the usefulness of huge parts of the skillsets of those skilled individuals. For a salient example in another field, printing, that was bulldozed by new technology: 90% of a typesetter's skillset was made irrelevant by Word/Illustrator/InDesign etc. It wasn't a force multiplier, it was a qualifications decimator. Now anyone could become a adequate typesetter by learni…

It's a different skill than pushing a pencil around, sure, but that's a small portion of what people learn on the way to being good at visual art. I'm terrible at it but know some people who are quite skilled. They are worlds beyond me in terms of composition and expression. Right now naively generated AI images are having their day, but I expect we'll soon get over that. I think the real future is in visual artists…

I've read a little bit about prompt engineering. The author said the stuff he needed to learn to be good at using stable diffusion, is about art history - knowing many art styles and their parts.

So basically, you read over a book(with amazing art) over, know your terms(or maybe know how to use a neat visual dictionary), and now you can paint in many art styles.

Of course there will be some more learning while playing with stable diffusion and getting a feel how to talk to it.

But it's very far from the old skill of neing an artist, not much knowledge will transfer.

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