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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by mysterydip »

tomrod wrote: post #30
yodon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you seriously arguing that Microsoft is intentionally trying to "extinguish" it's own IP? I realize that "Embrace, extend, extinguish" is a hopelessly tired and outdated meme, but trying to freshen it up by arguing they've now reached a level where they are intentionally trying to kill their OWN products as part of some grand and 30-year-in-the-past EEE "plan" is simply absurd.

Java doesn't make them money outside of an initial purchase. Subscriptions to realms do. So, yes, EEE to an offering that was free to play after initial purchase.

Not to mention almost every addon/mod and cosmetic option in bedrock edition is money for them.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by TimedToasts »

api wrote: post #28
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #26

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Kiwi Farms went into the realm of swatting people and trying to get people to kill themselves (with one or two successes). Of course that being said I fail to understand why more normal remedies couldn’t apply there. Swatting is a felony and hounding someone to suicide is at least very civilly actionable. Why did Cloudflare need to be the police here when regular police or the “Sandy Hook solution” seemed warranted?

> Why did Cloudflare need to be the police here when regular police or the “Sandy Hook solution” seemed warranted?

Because it was fiction.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by NoToP »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #66
lolinder wrote: post #37

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In the event of abuse, parents won't draw that distinction and neither would a Twitter mob. Microsoft needs to be able to point to something concrete they're doing to keep kids safe or they're risking a scandal.

A Twitter mob should not have that kind of power and if parents don't understand how Minecraft, the most popular game of the last decade+, works by now, they never will. It's appeasing a crowd that cannot and should not be appeased.

Yes but these people vote and it counts the same as yours.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by devwastaken »

armchairhacker wrote: post #56

I strongly disagree with Microsoft's stance. But I also think the issue is way overblown. You can simply mod servers so that they don't have this chat reporting. If everyone in the Minecraft community is so opposed, just create and exclusively join modded servers. Does not matter if they get labeled "Not Secure" if 90% of well-known popular servers have it, and there are tools and tutorials everywhere which make it s…

If you are banned, it also reasons that you would no longer be able to authenticate to 3rd party servers either, and it would be most likely an infringement of DRM to bypass, if not simply against TOS.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by technion »

lolinder wrote: post #22
8jy89hui wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

Roblox has been mired in controversy for years for failing to keep their platform safe enough for the kids they target. I'm not familiar enough to comment on the details of that controversy, but I would be surprised if that didn't feature prominently in Microsoft's decision here.

I'm fairly convinced that some of the Roblox controversy is a witch hunt. I have no knowledge of whether there have been legitimate issues, but the outcry I've seen on social media discussing Roblox and child safety often looks like a concocted story, and last month my social feeds were flooded with parents encouraging you to spread the word that Momo[0] is now spreading through Roblox and causing large groups of kids to kill themselves.

[0] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/02/momo-...

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by kimmeld »

bisby wrote: post #48
garciasn wrote: post #19

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My 12 year old has been bombarded with the message this is coming and will be the end of HyPixel/SkyBlock from many of the prominent Minecraft YouTubers he watches. Let me tell you: if my money is down the drain because some little jackwagon mass-reports some random server and my kids’ accounts are locked, I’m gonna be fucking furious. If the hoopla around this is true, Microsoft is going to relive its 1990s level ha…

Microsoft profits off Bedrock ("Minecraft for WIndows") because they can charge for basically everything, because there are no mods (addons). Java edition is where the mods are. Which is why hypixel/skyblock are on java edition. Ive seen speculation that Microsoft is adding this to have a process for banning java edition players. And then they just... stop selling java edition. Then there are no new java players ever…

Sounds like they learned from Apple pretty well.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by furyofantares »

jacknews wrote: post #32
jay_kyburz wrote: post #23

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I don't follow Minecraft or this issue closely, this is pure speculation, but MS could be trying to extinguish self hosted servers and would prefer all players playing on official Mincraft servers.

Yes, self-hosted servers, hypixel, etc, and java edition are clearly the target. It was bad enough having to pay twice for the same game (java edition, then bedrock edition, as some of their friends could only play the microsoft edition on their Nintendo Switches, etc). But if microsoft cause the 3rd party ecosystem of servers and mods to close down forcing everyone onto microsoft servers, I will ban my kids from pla…

Why would you ban your kids from playing if Microsoft forced it to be on their servers?

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by fnordpiglet »

8jy89hui wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

Because the tears of online asshats are super tasty.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by philistine »

TobyTheDog123 wrote: post #66
lolinder wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the event of abuse, parents won't draw that distinction and neither would a Twitter mob. Microsoft needs to be able to point to something concrete they're doing to keep kids safe or they're risking a scandal.

A Twitter mob should not have that kind of power and if parents don't understand how Minecraft, the most popular game of the last decade+, works by now, they never will. It's appeasing a crowd that cannot and should not be appeased.

You are putting a moral limit on what Microsoft should be able to do with Minecraft, not a technical one. Who's to say your morals are better ?
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