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Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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I strongly disagree with the author. What brings me pleasure is playing strategic computer games. I was addicted to playing dota. I was playing 12-16 hours a day, which left no place for socializing, career, family, even basic self-maintenance suffered. Anything meaningful, art, self-improvement was cut. It's a disgraceful, shameful life. The meaning of life is not the blind pursuit of pleasure. We are humans precise…

Maybe you've lost access to a confortable middle ground, and I'm very sorry for you, but hopefully the vast majority of humans still can find balance between exclusive pursuit of pleasure and doing things things you hate every single minute of the day.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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> > We humans are, deep down, lazy and gluttonous creatures. If left to our own devices, we will do nothing but eat Pringles and watch Netflix. The only way we can escape our indolent nature is to exert our higher faculties over our base instincts. > First, humans are not “naturally” lazy, because humans are not “naturally” anything. ... We’re different today not because our genes changed, but because our culture cha…

That’s only if you consider them faults. Preserving energy by not doing things you don’t find rewarding isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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> For legal reasons, I’m not saying the people who write this stuff are literally Lucifer in human skin. It’s just that, if I wanted to maximize human misery, I would 100% try to convince people to spend more time doing things they hate When Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett wrote Good Omens thirty years ago they already hit upon this idea when Crowley, a demon and one of the main characters, tries to explain to his fe…

Reminds me of Supernatural's Crowley optimizing hell to just be one big line where everyone just has to stand and wait. The simpler solution.

How would we describe the state of standing and waiting for all eternity? Being in limbo, perhaps?

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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As a Frenchman, it took me a while to realize it was supposed to mean "a painful thing to do"

To me "eating the frog" comes from a joke. Two peasants find a frog and take a bet. One says he can eat the frog raw and the other bets $5 that he cannot. So the first peasant starts to eat the frog; halfway through he starts to feel nauseous. The second one starts to regret the $5 that he's about to lose. So he offers to reverse the bet - $5 back for eating the remaining half of the frog. The first one agrees and th…

For science, of course!

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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I strongly disagree with the author. What brings me pleasure is playing strategic computer games. I was addicted to playing dota. I was playing 12-16 hours a day, which left no place for socializing, career, family, even basic self-maintenance suffered. Anything meaningful, art, self-improvement was cut. It's a disgraceful, shameful life. The meaning of life is not the blind pursuit of pleasure. We are humans precise…

Except that you're talking about a game hyper-optimized to be addictive, and while I can't speak for your specific case, in general having an addiction usually involves said addiction being a coping mechanism to fill some kind of hole in someone's life, or avoiding the pain of some unresolved trauma. Which is not at all the same thing as being proof of humans inherently being lazy and needing self-help gurus to fix t…

>Except that you're talking about a game hyper-optimized to be addictive

When I stopped playing dota, civ took it's place, then reddit, then tiktok, etc.

I've resorted to hard blocking a long list of apps and websites. I've seen other people on hackernews having the exact same problem and stumbling upon the exact same stack of solutions.

My point is, it's not the one game, it's the entire internet.

>said addiction being a coping mechanism to fill some kind of hole in someone's life

I've been to several therapists, which have proven useless. I don't think there is a hole in my life, besides the fact that I'm wasting my entire life on stupid shit because I procrastinate.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Great article. It is necessary to be reminded of this some time. I always like to remind myself of Steve Jobs' famous speech where he says something like:

"As with all matters of the heart, you know when things are right". Which implies you damn well know when things are not right too. (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc&ab_channel=Stanf...)

Not sure if Steve Jobs is a devil according to this guy.

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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Re; This particular quote from the article… > "Stop confusing productivity with laziness. While no one likes admitting it, sheer laziness is the No. 1 contributor to lost productivity." I was taught growing up that if it's something you must do anyhow, then true laziness is finding the simplest and most effective way to do a given task quickly and correctly the first time so that you don't have to waste time and effo…

I heard a quote once that a general or some leader said he preferred “highly intelligent and slightly lazy” people because they found the most efficient and reliable ways to get things done, and quickly as a bonus!

Bill Gates — 'I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it.'

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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post #52

Regarding pomodoro: I've found that 5 minutes of rest is not enough. Through trial and error I've settled on 30min work and 20min(!) of rest. I have to force myself to stop working when my timer is up, otherwise my productivity that day goes down. On one hand it's just a somewhat smarter way to eat frogs, on the other it doesn't feel so. I suppose half of the problem is not knowing what amount of frog is too much for…

I find it really depends on how motivated I am for the task. If I’m really motivated I can focus for hours and not feel bad at all.

Then there's this (the complete opposite of OP's link): https://www.wisdomination.com/screw-motivation-what-you-need...

Re: Excuse me but why are you eating so many frogs

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This seems to be a major epidemic nowadays. I suspect that mechanistic, meaningless, purely mimetic pursuit of success has some pretty negative consequences on society. I suspect it might explain why so many people are interested in engaging in politics (or company politics) and zero-sum value extraction schemes instead of just adding value... They're not interested in the process at all, only in the outcome; financi…

>They have no intrinsic pride in the work they do; it's all about status, money and power

the guy with status,money and power is obviously more attractive than the guy who, although he loves his work, is more or less unsuccessful on those parameters. it's intraspecific selection at play. One of the only remaining factor influencing human evolution today. People understandably value what increases their SMV.

Konrad Lorenz has written an interesting part about it in his book "Civilized Man's Eight Deadly Sins" (4. Man's race against himself)

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