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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ericmay »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

EVs may currently be unfriendly toward self-repair but that doesn’t always have to be the case.

I’d also suggest that you are operating under the illusion of self-repair. Is replacing a transmission something you can do? An engine? Sure let’s say you can. Personally I can’t replace an engine any more than I can replace a motor on an EV. I don’t have the tools, I still have to rely on society to procure the engine and tools and ship them to my house, etc. idk why this would be more or less difficult than replacing something on an EV besides the battery pack.

I don’t really follow your EV battery comment unless you live in a very abnormal situation which is ok, but it makes your comment much more akin to an abnormal anecdote than a generalized point regarding EVs.

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Post by elif »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #56
josephcsible wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.

It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.

Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io

If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

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Post by brnt »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #67
brnt wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't your garage handle that for you at the yearly checkup?

Do people have "garages" and yearly checkups? Maybe it's a European thing? In the U.S. we have Jiffy Lube and the "checkup" is just another way for them to squeeze the customer for cash. We are so distrustful of auto mechanics in general that, no, I don't think most of us go looking for a yearly fleecing, ha ha (not funny, really).

It's mandatory here in Europe, if you care about being road-legal.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by endisneigh »

I love EVs.

That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together.

I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/

The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in one swoop:

- Pedal assisted ebikes result in exercise. America is up there in obesity.

- America is also up there in cardiovascular unhealthiness.

- Americans have an average distance of 15 miles to work. 30mph + 60 mile range would allow you to comfortably get to work in approximately 30 minutes and give you enough juice to do it round trip, twice.

- Lower speeds result in fewer accident fatalities. America is up there in the number of road deaths. Lower speeds and smaller vehicles would lower this.

- Bike infrastructure can be used for walking. Walking is good. This promotes accessibility for a large range of people, notably children and elders.

- Bikes require less space to park, a lot less. This extra space can be used to build more housing. This additional housing will increase density, making bikes only more viable (compared to being in traffic in a car).

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EVs are better than ICE, certainly. But I fear it will exacerbate some of our problems.

- The CapEx for EVs will discourage walking infrastructure.

- EVs can accelerate faster, much faster. I fear this will result in more accidents.

- EVs are much heavier than their equivalent ICE vehicles. Hopefully this doesn't result in EV accidents being more likely to have a fatality.

Ideally we'd just begin to phase out cars ideally, as opposed to transition to EVs from ICE, but I suppose baby steps are warranted here.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by elif »

darkteflon wrote: post #29

I feel like predictions on EV adoption generally focus too much on practical benefits and cost improvements over time, but discount - or at least fail to mention - the potential impact of ICE products becoming very uncool, very quickly - at least in Western countries. Overnight, even. It’s not a big stretch to imagine that generations of younger people concerned about the climate might make product consumption choice…

As the infrastructure is in place and battery recycling is maturing, the gotcha arguments holding back culture are evaporating.

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

sandworm101 wrote: post #55
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

Your facts are inconvenient and will probably just be dismissed sadly.

EVs need to win by being better without more risk, not by trying to ban people currently using ICEs.

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Post by hotpotamus »

DennisP wrote: post #36
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

If you don't mind a super-aerodynamic lightweight three-wheeler, Aptera has a strong commitment to right-to-repair. They're making parts and manuals available to anyone. https://aptera.us/right-to-repair-commitment-feat-rich-rebui... https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/19/a-recent-aptera-video-g... They also get significantly more miles/kWh than most electrics, so the charging problem's easier.

I’m thinking the problem there isn’t repair, but that it looks like vapor ware. It looks quite a bit like an Elio which took peoples’ money, but never delivered a car.

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Post by sandworm101 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

> Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house. Not sure if you're just talking about something specific to your house, or making a broader point. Once EVs are widespread, they can add a huge amount of storage capacity to the grid. Not hard to imagine utility and government incentives that encourage c…

I'm not convinced. The "smart grid" has been discussed for over a decade. Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid? What if those extra charge/discharge cycles decreases the battery's life expectancy? The small bonus payments (pennies) just won't cut it imho. People will charge their cars and keep them charged.

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Post by peyton »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

> Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house. Not sure if you're just talking about something specific to your house, or making a broader point. Once EVs are widespread, they can add a huge amount of storage capacity to the grid. Not hard to imagine utility and government incentives that encourage c…

It’s actually pretty difficult to imagine round trip AC to DC to AC in people’s garages being competitive price-wise but who knows? Maybe in colder climates where cooling is less of an issue.

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Post by fomine3 »

guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I wish so but the forecast is wrote in early 2021. I wonder is it still true after we saw inflation, high demand and short of battery supply, and supply shortage.
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