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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by tpmx »

adrianN wrote: post #68
tpmx wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Add a few days of storage" This is very non-trivial and will take decades longer than building nuclear power.

Building enough nuclear power plants to power a country also takes decades and is very non-trivial. The quicker we reach 90% carbon-free, the more carbon budget we have left to figure out the remaining 10%. Renewables are the quickest, cheapest way to do that.

The research and tech actually exists for large scale nuclear power. It's essentially a solved problem, unlike large-scale energy storage.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

adrianN wrote: post #63
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't the ads, really: They are realistically speaking of lighting in bus stops, underpasses, and train stations. Lighting in those areas, which tend to be dark or populated, helps folks feel safer. Taking away the ads makes these places darker, and I can understand not suddenly having nervous folks not take the bus or train. Though, I agree: They can get bent about the contracts. The proper response is to install…

Those areas are explicitly excluded from this.

Yeah, the person I replied to quoted it and was upset about it. I was replying to their reaction.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by fzfaa »

malermeister wrote: post #59
fzfaa wrote: post #34

The normalisation of poverty in Europe would much funnier so watch if I didn't live here.

How is getting rid of annoying ads at night "normalizing poverty"?

Because it's done in the name of energy savings and the only reason that we all have to save energy is so the political elites of the West can play Risk against Russia.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by lispm »

hnbad wrote: post #54
tpmx wrote: post #6

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To be fair, the problem with nuclear power in Germany is bigger than that the existing nuclear plants are being shut down. It's actually a good idea to shut them down eventually as they're old and inefficient. Calling them "fully functioning" is a bit of a rose tinted glasses type of situation. The bigger problem is that Germany doesn't have any more recent nuclear power plants due to public pressure and instead just…

> The bigger problem is that Germany doesn't have any more recent nuclear power plants due to public pressure

France hasn't either and they don't have public pressure against it. The are still trying to build a single one, being a decade late and billions more expensive.

> or more recently Fukushima, which really just culturally echoed the existing memories of Chernobyl

Currently we think about the nuclear fleet in the Ukraine which is literally under fire from Russia.

We are not far away from a new Fukushima, but this time in Europe.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/both-working-reactors-o...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/25/zaporizhzhia-n...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by adrianN »

tpmx wrote: post #71
adrianN wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building enough nuclear power plants to power a country also takes decades and is very non-trivial. The quicker we reach 90% carbon-free, the more carbon budget we have left to figure out the remaining 10%. Renewables are the quickest, cheapest way to do that.

The research and tech actually exists for large scale nuclear power. It's essentially a solved problem, unlike large-scale energy storage.

We can always create methane or ammonia from hydrogen. That's a solved problem. The only research left to do is to bring down the price.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

louwrentius wrote: post #18
brnt wrote: post #4

This will chiefly affect commercial billboards and the like, which should not be even allowed to ever emit light (or exist) IMNSHO.

I n NL we have human size billboards that have active cooling for crying out loud. When you walk past them, you hear a loud fan. Just such a waste of energy. I wish advertising should only be forbidden to use active lighting at all.

So many best and brightest in our society work on ads, from google ads to these billboars.

If these efforts were invested in something usefull...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by csmattryder »

rcarmo wrote: post #2

This is going to be interesting to watch, as many low-end digital signage solutions do not have the ability to fully shut off the displays they’re attached to (and I suspect some high-end billboards will have displays fully decoupled from media players, etc.)

Yeah, I'm trying to think how a lot of these are going to work, myself.

When I built a low-cost signage platform, a lot of the devices we deployed to were Android 4.4/5.0 (yes, even in 2020+), which doesn't have auto on/off that Nougat introduced in Android 7.0.

Probably some poor sap's job is to Teamviewer in and install a third-party app to control the shutdown and startup.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by BjoernKW »

adrianN wrote: post #51
tpmx wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We are going to have a severe lack of energy, so shutting down nuclear power plants is likely the least of our issues"? I'm afraid I don't follow the logic here.

Homes are heated with gas, not with nuclear power. Industrial processes run on gas, not on nuclear power.

Problem is, without nuclear power, they will have to resort to generating power from natural gas instead of using that gas for heating, which will in turn have problems compound.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by malermeister »

lm28469 wrote: post #65
malermeister wrote: post #53

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And they can go fuck off if they don't. We're in a crisis and they want to waste energy we might need for heating households to manipulate people into buying shit they don't need? That's not exactly a position that'll get them a lot of sympathy.

> to manipulate people into buying shit they don't need? This is encouraged by our system, switching off screens at night won't change it. Attack the root cause not the very last symptom

Attack it on all fronts.
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