Guidance to make federally funded research freely available without delay

Post by permo-w » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 6:39 PM UTC

expensive_news wrote: post #48

bglazer wrote: post #23

This is good news. Academic publishers are parasites and anything that reduces their stranglehold on academic knowledge is good. That said, parasites are, if nothing else, resilient. So, there's a few issues that I'm concerned about. First, it's not clear to me that university libraries will be able to drop their subscriptions to these journals based on this decision. The vast majority of research receives some feder…

Maybe I’m missing something, but if Nature charges that much to publish why does anyone publish in Nature? Why don’t academics just create their own ‘ethically priced’ journal? It’s my understanding that most of Nature’s labor is voluntary and unpaid anyway.

Post by stjohnswarts » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

koheripbal wrote: post #56

Test0129 wrote: post #39

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

I assume military R&D would be a big exception?

Post by stjohnswarts » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 6:44 PM UTC

fudged71 wrote: post #59

Test0129 wrote: post #39

Having done a short stint dealing with this stuff I am glad something is being done. NIST/NSF funded several studies that I was close to that were suddenly owned by a journal who did nothing but provide a place to put it. Public money should always mean public access. Not just for journals, but for anything. If one red cent of taxpayer money goes to it, the taxpayer should get it for free. Hopefully the trend continu…

Does “public” here refer to nationally-available, or internationally? Should I be able to access your taxpayer’s research?

Post by stjohnswarts » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

elil17 wrote: post #69

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All persons. The principals enshrined in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence specify no nation in particular. Freedom of information is a direct extension of the Declaration of Independence.

I would say the real reason is that it's pretty impractical to limit it to just Americans given that we don't have any sort of national e-identity.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 6:47 PM UTC

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #50

afarrell wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if one of the people who would do that is currently on a boat in Lake Winnipesaukee. Not if {insert 20 other sources of complexity that exist in the real world}.

Give them an afternoon and then charge them a $2500 a day fine for any federally funded research not made available. They'll fix it that afternoon. I'm sure Jake can remote in from Lake Winnipesaukee. Apolegetics for bad, unethical, and world damaging polices, be it corporate or otherwise, are unacceptable.