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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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So weird hearing about how amazing this speed is for a convention center when I have 25Gbps at home and mainly just use it to download movies and anime from Usenet.

Where on earth and why

Probably Switzerland - init7 has it in its offer: https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/

The price is the same as for 1Gbps and 10Gbps (~60USD/month) - though the initial setup price differs: ~300USD for 25Gb/s vs The actual speed within network is indeed 25Gb/s to some fellow users running speedtest.net servers. Inside Switzerland it's maybe ~15Gb/s to some well connected servers in the area of Zurich, and ~10Gb/s across EU. Tested with speedtest.net and iperf.

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Chattanooga Tennessee, for those curious but not curious enough to read the article.

I'm intrigued by the city's push for this community co-op high speed internet - does anyone here have any experience with how the city has changed before/after the "gig-city" push? And did pandemic work from home change/accelerate things at all?

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I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

You may be off a bit. A gigabit is only around 125 megabytes a second. A low end consumer SSD is closer to a 550 megabytes second, or ~4 gigabits. A high-end NVMe SSD will get you 3 or 4 gigabytes a second. 30 to 40x a gigabit!

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When we bought a house, the best one ended up being literally a couple miles outside of EPB's service area and I had to switch to Comcast. I see their billboard every time I drive home, just to rub salt in the wound.

I love how so many companies offer work-from-home now as you can literally work from anywhere in the world as long as it's only in a major city with a high bandwidth connection.

Check out this map, which doesn't seem to include starlink. Click "min price" (to make the 25+ MBPS filter appear), then click "25+ MBPS". You'll see that rural houses are likely to have access to better Internet than ones in Silicon Valley.

To really light the map up, click "fixed wireless". I've had mixed luck with such ISPs, but they generally offer affordable plans that have better uplink bandwidth and ping latency than comcast.

https://broadbandnow.com/national-broadband-map

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I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

Right - the popular sentiment on my smallish town Facebook group is people dropping their 300mbps cable since Spectrum is an awful company to deal with in favor of cell-based (T-mobile or Verizon) home service. 90%+ of people in most areas don't need internet any faster than Netflix requires, and nobody is running ethernet so WiFi speeds are going to be the limiting factor in internet speed for most everyone else.

I went from ~250Mbit to Gigabit recently. I don't notice it on my wireless clients at all, but it is really nice on my main PC, which is tied directly into the router via a good 'ole cable. I've seen actual downloads speeds flirting with 100MB/sec, which is really nice when downloading some of these massive 50GB+ games.

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This is just getting stupid. It's more marketing than anything else. It feels like the megahertz wars of the 90s. Your connection is SO MUCH more than just your local PHY rate. Let's start raising the bar. Show me you've optimized to reduce bufferbloat. Show me you care about RTT and not simply the cheapest pipe.

I'm also not sure they have the capacity to deliver true 25Gb to for many folks simultaneously.

https://www.peeringdb.com/net/7007 https://bgp.he.net/AS26827#_asinfo

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I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? I have 1G symmetric FTTH internet, the bottleneck is still the services I want to access at the other end - really makes no difference how much faster the pipe is, if the service you are using can't keep up. Will some people benefit?? sure - a handful of power users doing massive uploads and downloads for commercial purp…

That's the maximum, right? I would imagine they have plans from sub-gigabit up to 25G. I know I'd absolutely love the option of 10G for a reasonable price (thousand(s)?). Heck, I'd be overjoyed to get symmetrical 100 Mbps, and I'd gladly pay a few hundred for it. Meanwhile my Dad has 500/500 AT&T Fiber, and he pays half what I pay for 930/35 Charter Spectrum cable :(

This same ISP offered 10 gigabit for $400 seven years ago.

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The problem with municipal Internet is the town will build it out once, and then never upgrade the technology while it slowly becomes obsolete . Seriously though, municipal fiber is fantastic. I've been an observer to friends having conversations about Internet provider woes, while I just sit there shaking my head. I've only got 1Gb but I rarely care about the bandwidth, consistent <15ms ping to close data centers, t…

The OP story is literally the municipal provider delivering 25x faster service over 12 years. The "never upgrade the technology" provider is usually going to be monopoly Comcast, because they know your other option is a can and string.

Sarcasm. It's a useful skill that fosters self awareness and builds your memetic defenses. And I even included a free tag to help train your detector.

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You have different parameters than I, because "the best one" has 25Gbps to the home, and not Comcast for an internet provider. :-) I know what you're saying, though. I suppose it's possible to have higher priorities than bandwidth. Personally, I'd still have to give serious thought to how much I want $FEATURE if it means having to do business with Comcast (or Comcast aside, give up 25Gbps). Backyard for the kids? The…

And here I am looking at properties that even Starlink would have trouble providing service to...

Running away to the mountains to escape it all? Need company?
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