Price of FSD will rise to $15k in North America on September 5th

Post by Geee » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 4:30 PM UTC

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> since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer That is just an absurd statement. AlexNet came out in 2012 and ResNet in 2015 but somehow Tesla had something "close" to the current FSD in 2014? They're heavily using Transformers now which came out in 2017. They have demonstrated leaps in performance since the first version of FSD Beta two years ago.

> That is just an absurd statement. No it isn't. It is also not early days either and we have given FSD enough time to meet the claims of achieving Level 5 with those strong and 'confident' deadlines even set by Musk himself, which he knew he couldn't meet, but the gullible customers and fans rushed in and fell for it anyway. Not only they have all been missed, this year, Tesla finally admitted that it was Level 2 an…

Post by washbrain » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

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But why? Is it because the early adopters were paying for a product that would never work? Feels like a good opportunity for a class action...

Because as it gets better, it provides more value. In its completed form it basically replaces a driver. Calculate how much it would cost to have drivers capable of driving 20 hours/day (rest spent charging). If they actually make it self-driving at a human level, it's value is clearly over $100K.

Post by washbrain » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

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It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…

> since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer That is just an absurd statement. AlexNet came out in 2012 and ResNet in 2015 but somehow Tesla had something "close" to the current FSD in 2014? They're heavily using Transformers now which came out in 2017. They have demonstrated leaps in performance since the first version of FSD Beta two years ago.

Post by Gud » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 4:50 PM UTC

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> low reliability, low build quality These are improving at an astonishing rate, like a Web app rather than a car. Yes, this means the first ones were so bad they really shouldn’t have been shipped. But the newer models (of Y especially, X hasn’t been redesigned) are really a different world.

Hot tip, ship fast and break things doesn't work when you're talking about putting out a 2 ton, gigantic battery out in the world that is expected to last for over 20 years. This is a gigantic waste. Any other company would have been crucified for putting out such a shit car, and the only reason Tesla survived it is because they had funny meme man to do damage control.

Post by HWR_14 » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 4:55 PM UTC

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Sir, that's an electric bike.

I have a tern, it's amazing . I can bike at 30mph, most of my errands within a ten mile trip are doable on bike. I do grocery shopping, cargo delivery, a bunch of stuff. It doesn't replace a car for all trips, but you'd be surprised how many trips it replaces.