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How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by wbsss4412 »

kenjackson wrote: post #63
wbsss4412 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is identity at the crux of “defund the FBI”? “Identity politics” are generally considered to be issues related to things like race, gender, social class, etc

Yes, view identity as the group of people you identify with. It's a cross section of race/gender/social class/political party/geography/etc... "Defund the FBI" is just a reaction of a specific identity group -- largely the same group that hated people saying Defund the Police, fought for Blue Lives Matter, etc...

You’re confusing partisanship with identity.

I realize it’s seemingly a small difference or amounts to the same thing, but not making the distinction really muddies the conversation.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by jedberg »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68
jedberg wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.

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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story

It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information.

> 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story

You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

jollybean wrote: post #64
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #40

The scariest thing about biased news sources is not how they cover something but whether they cover something at all . People who don't tune into multiple will simply have no idea that something even happened. They'll have completely different realities based on their perceptions. Just looking at the graph you can see four whole stories that CNN completely omitted, yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox igno…

First - your assessment of 'omitted by CNN' isn't quite right. "yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox ignored. " - this is wrong. There is at any given time, thousands of 'stories' to cover. Almost by definition CNN will have covered something else that Fox didn't. All of the stories they covered are not on that chart. ... There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something. In pa…

>There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something.*

Completely agree.

>In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China.

I read the Fauci emails. The person who brought it up made it perfectly clear she thought there was an unnatural segment of DNA in the virus. Yet people were silenced in the beginning for even suggesting the possibility of a lab leak. After receiving and responding to that email he denied the lab leak possibility.

Any sane cynic who's been around long enough will assume that all the major players are working on biological weapons. It's reminiscent of the nuclear arms race with similar implications. But we can't even talk about it? Scary.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by kenjackson »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #71
kenjackson wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, view identity as the group of people you identify with. It's a cross section of race/gender/social class/political party/geography/etc... "Defund the FBI" is just a reaction of a specific identity group -- largely the same group that hated people saying Defund the Police, fought for Blue Lives Matter, etc...

You’re confusing partisanship with identity. I realize it’s seemingly a small difference or amounts to the same thing, but not making the distinction really muddies the conversation.

I view them as different in that this is about your personal identity. An example, is if a Republican Governor commits a crime -- should I care? Not really, it doesn't change the party platform. Maybe a minor impact associated with their chance at re-election. But when your identity is caught up with party, now you start to defend the governer purely because of their party. It's not simply a party affiliation, but your identity.

This is much larger and intractable than partisanship.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by Enk1du »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22
kenjackson wrote: post #11

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What are good news sources? I guarantee you that for any news source you pick, there are people who will argue that it is crappy and/or biased.

> What are good news sources? I wish I had an answer. Good news sources are usually a case of: I know it when I see it. Once you read enough you can tell good shit from bad shit. Shows depth of knowledge, rigor, both sides (if there is an actual legitimate other side), a slant toward neutral verbiage, according to ..., reports ..., etc. I wish this could be passed on to others. Good news sources have "it" I think the…

My news-savy neighbour's strategy was to combine several sources, Channel 4[0], Al Jazeera, and sheepishly, RT (this was mid-2000's). He rationalised the last one as not being a reliable source, but as a way of seeing what others weren't covering. Al Jazeera is great for anything outside Qatar's interest and their early days included actually talking to real Israelis which was something not seen in most of the Middle East at that time.

It's much better if you can get an outside perspective. The right wing papers in the UK were selling Brexit as the sunlit uplands. The leading right wing paper in Canada, the Globe & Mail, called Brexit the height of stupidity. Judge for yourself which sources were better.

Double down on external sources with that second language that you've been meaning to learn. Lazy propaganda doesn't cross language barriers very well, so it stands out - almost as much as promoted content in English on a non-English Reddit sub. (but first, learn the words for "wounded" and "killed" as they are in half the headlines)

Sources change, too. The BBC used to strive for impartiality. Now, their national news spouts the government line, but the regional news hasn't got the memo and regularly runs critical pieces. I think the World Service is still it's own unit.

[0] https://www.channel4.com/news/

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by bryanlarsen »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68
jedberg wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.

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Given that the wages offered for jobs normally performed by illegal immigrants like transient farm labor are up substantially, the number of illegal immigrants is likely down by quite a bit.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by timbit42 »

ziddoap wrote: post #8
BeetleB wrote: post #5

I know this will come across as a bit of flame-bait, but: What is the point in comparing two crappy news sources? Neither is worth spending time on. Also, more on-point: Are they looking only at news, or are they including opinion?

> 60% of Republicans turn to Fox News for political news and 53% of Democrats turn to CNN It'd be nice to see comparisons of all the news networks, but if you're going to start somewhere it seems like the two which have the majority of viewers seems appropriate.

It's interesting that CNN's website has more than double the website visits as FoxNews's website does.

* CNN.com: 524 million

* NYtimes.com: 449.9m

* FoxNews.com: 263m

* WashingtonPost.com: 156.9m

* CNBC.com: 144.5m

* NYPost.com: 119.6m

* Forbes.com: 85.7m

* USAToday.com: 85.5m

* BusinessInsider.com: 80.7m

* NPR.org: 76.6m

Source: SimilarWeb.com

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

jedberg wrote: post #72
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information.

False. Here's the new information:

>The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714...

The rate is increasing. That's the story.

>You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

Again, just like with Fentanyl it's increasing and now we even have drone videos of groups of hundreds: https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1544724908407758851

Pretending it isn't happening is what CNN is doing by ignoring it. You may not care about illegal immigration, but that doesn't make it not a story. Some people do. I don't feel strongly about it either way, but people who only watch CNN don't even know it's happening. So they don't even get the chance to make up their minds about it.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by jedberg »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #78
jedberg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't cha…

As the sibling comment pointed out, wages for jobs typically done by illegal immigrants is up, which implies immigration is down. So again, the only thing that is up is enforcement.

The rate of fentanyl overdose has been increasing for a while. Again, it's a bad situation, but not sure why there would be continued reporting on it.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by [deleted] »

amscanne wrote: post #34
ajross wrote: post #4

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The point is more that Fox will routinely elevate issues that aren't really "news" in a traditional sense to major "stories", either to fill time[1] or to make a partisan argument. The IRS funding is a great example here. The IRA bill indeed increases funding for the Internal Revenue Service by something like 30%. This would be reasonable content to include in a print article, say, of the kind of bureaucratic funding…

Increasing funding for enforcement for the IRS is something that I personally feel is a good thing, but I think it’s fair to cover it in light of the fact that it seems to be colored by politics, like so much else. Why on earth would the Democrats pronounce that it won’t be used to audit anywhere earning less than $400k? As an extension of the anti-rich rhetoric, it’s no longer a simple “bureaucratic funding decision…

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