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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by criddell »

ElectricalUnion wrote: post #63
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

> Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Raison d'être of any Corporation is shareholder profit, not whatever you think of it. Shame on everyone involved - the Corporation, the short-sighted shareholders, the customers that enabled this behavior. > If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US It's the opposite, you want to "bring more chips in the US" so that the US is…

> Raison d'être of any Corporation is shareholder profit, not whatever you think of it.

There are all kinds of corporations. For example, the EFF is a corporation.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

fallingknife wrote: post #54
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Why go all the way to the UK to do the swap, though?

Don't know. Maybe they have a platform here.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by blfr »

traceroute66 wrote: post #26
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

Apparently, People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC) are in agreement that there's only one China. They differ on which government is legitimate.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by josephcsible »

FabHK wrote: post #53
josephcsible wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting because it shows how much influence the CCP has over the American company Apple.

In the EU, Apple posts prices including VAT, just as local regulations require. That's because the EU has this enormous influence over the American company Apple. Or is it because companies generally tend to follow the law of wherever they operate?

It's not unjust or morally wrong to post prices including VAT, so I have no complaint about Apple doing that. When a foreign country's laws require companies to do things that are unjust or morally wrong, I want companies to choose not to operate there rather than follow them. Similarly, I'd want companies to pull out of Australia rather than backdoor their encryption.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

rr888 wrote: post #58
kps wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Used to. Israel and UAE normalized relations in 2020 and signed a free trade deal this spring.

That's what I thought too, not sure why OP said "Emirates cannot trade with Israel", maybe its an old anecdote.

Old anecdote, and I'm French, so I'm probably using the incorrect tense to tell the story.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by TakuYam »

Jugurtha wrote: post #41
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

I’m not sure if they still do but you used to be able to hold two passports simultaneously. One that was ‘clean’ for countries that didn’t recognise Israel and another for Israel.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by differentView »

lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

The United States government has always had a One-China policy, regardless of which party is in power. Why is this on Apple? Be mad at your elected leaders if you don't like it.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

traceroute66 wrote: post #26
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. To be fair, it's not fair to use this as an occasion for Apple bashing or America bashing. The whole Taiwan thing goes much deeper. For example, if you look at ISO3166, the country code standard. If you look up Taiwan in ISO3166[1], you will see it listed as "Taiwan (Province of China)…

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by flohofwoe »

jhbadger wrote: post #18
Pulcinella wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan calls itself China. The official name is literally the Republic of China. Both China and Taiwan agree that there is just one China, but disagree about what formal unification would or should look like. Edit: The USA also agrees that there is one China, at least officially, though it’s not like the US doesn’t like to change its mind frequently. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Communiqué

Both East Germany (when it existed) and West Germany were "Germany" and at least theoretically belived their government was the legitimate one for the whole territory, but products made in both were generally distinguished on their labels.

At least from the East German side this was only the case for a short period during the 50s (the idea that there was only "one Germany" - which from the point of view of the GDR and Moscow should of course be a "socialist Germany").

In the 60's and early 70's the GDR dropped this idea and worked towards being recognized as its own souvereign state, and insisted that there are two German states (the GDR and the FRG).

This eventually resulted in the "Basic Treaty" from 1972, and the GDR joining the UNO in 1973 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Treaty,_1972, or the much more detailed entry in the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundlagenvertrag)

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by josephcsible »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #68
josephcsible wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Emirates cannot trade with Israel Is "cannot" really accurate? Isn't it more like they voluntarily chose not to do so?

There is this human convention about "can/cannot" that assumes the reader is able to figure out the nuance of it. If I say, "I can't walk it the street naked", I'm expecting you to understand the underlying causes. I'm not expecting that I have to explain to you that, yes, nothing prevent me physically to walk in the street naked, but indeed, I chose every day not to do it because I don't want to pay the social and/o…

My point is that the UAE is a sovereign country. The only law that prevented trade with Israel was the one they made themselves. There wasn't any legal price for repealing it.
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