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Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by LatteLazy »

stefandesu wrote: post #13

I've never understood why (in some countries) public places are so cooled down in the summer and so heated up in the winter. In Japan, in the summer they put the ACs to what feels like 16ºC, so whenever you go from outdoor (very hot and humid) to indoor, you feel like you'll freeze (because you're dressed for 30ºC). In the winter, they put the ACs to 25ºC, so you move from outdoor to indoor, it's extremely hot and st…

Cooling a LOT significantly reduces humidity. Some places do this to avoid damage to goods.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by bamboozled »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #49
bamboozled wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate this about Japan too. In Tokyo, you sweat to death on the subway, then get off with wet underwear into the cold street and yeah, summer trains feel so cold it's like having a high fever when sitting on the train.

JR commuter trains "solve" this problem by having some carriages on longer trains intentionally set to higher temperatures, signposted 弱冷房車 ("weak cooling car").

This is good if you have time to change cars

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by afiori »

IntrepidWorm wrote: post #65
afiori wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As usual there is a relevant XKCD even if I can't find it now. In Fahrenheit 0 and 100 are defined in random ways, but it ends up covering most of the range of temperature human experience in the environment. Celsius's definition does not include putting a thermometer inside an adult horse, but the common range of everyday temperatures is -18 to 50. There are points of view in which imperial units can claim to be eas…

Could it be: https://xkcd.com/1643 ? I adore Randall.

It is, thanks.

Actually I had found it apparently but convinced myself that it was not the correct one, I deeply misremembered the setting.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by wink »

cameronh90 wrote: post #30
stefandesu wrote: post #13

I've never understood why (in some countries) public places are so cooled down in the summer and so heated up in the winter. In Japan, in the summer they put the ACs to what feels like 16ºC, so whenever you go from outdoor (very hot and humid) to indoor, you feel like you'll freeze (because you're dressed for 30ºC). In the winter, they put the ACs to 25ºC, so you move from outdoor to indoor, it's extremely hot and st…

Myself and many others seem to find 21c too cold in winter and too hot in summer in some buildings. I think it's possibly due to radiant temperature: for example, the walls/roof/floor are hotter in summer so you need to cool the air down more to make up for that. That said, Japan and some other places (Singapore!) take it to the extreme, and in a modern well insulated building, this is much less needed than it used t…

Oh yeah, I was soaked in the rain in Singapore once and took the bus home, I was basically sure I'd catch a cold, it was like stepping outside in the winter at home after taking a shower...

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by hgazx »

gambiting wrote: post #37
hgazx wrote: post #31

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Freedom is a good hill to die on.

What does that have to do with freedom? You mean the freedom of a business owner to set their AC to whatever they like? Why is that symbolic of "freedom" in any way? As a business owner we have agreed as a society that there is a lot of rules you have to obey already - you cannot throw your rubbish out on the street, you must post your prices clearly, you must provide disabled access, you must give refunds for faulty…

The fact that we don’t have as much freedom as we should means we have carte blanche to keep taking freedom away from us? What an argument. A self fulfilling prophecy!

Yes we should have the freedom to keep our lights on if we want as long as we pay our bills. And if we want we shouldn’t have to build a ramp to our business. How are these things even something to argue about?

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Post by cassianoleal »

greatgib wrote: post #45
manuelabeledo wrote: post #21

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I think we might have seen the same video. It happens in other places in Asia as well, not only Hong Kong. It's quite uncomfortable to go from ~34C and 98% humidity, to an environment at ~20C and less than 50% humidity. I'm surprised people don't get more respiratory illnesses more often.

When I was in Asia, I experienced that also. First it was hard for me and making me sick, but then I got used to it also. For a westerner, it might be hard to imagine constantly living with high temperatures like that. And for example having to sleep everyday with such climate.

> For a westerner, it might be hard to imagine constantly living with high temperatures like that.

Plenty of "western" countries and regions have similar climates.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Post by gambiting »

hgazx wrote: post #76
gambiting wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that have to do with freedom? You mean the freedom of a business owner to set their AC to whatever they like? Why is that symbolic of "freedom" in any way? As a business owner we have agreed as a society that there is a lot of rules you have to obey already - you cannot throw your rubbish out on the street, you must post your prices clearly, you must provide disabled access, you must give refunds for faulty…

The fact that we don’t have as much freedom as we should means we have carte blanche to keep taking freedom away from us? What an argument. A self fulfilling prophecy! Yes we should have the freedom to keep our lights on if we want as long as we pay our bills. And if we want we shouldn’t have to build a ramp to our business. How are these things even something to argue about?

>>And if we want we shouldn’t have to build a ramp to our business.

Are you serious? How is this even a thing to argue about???

>>Yes we should have the freedom to keep our lights on if we want as long as we pay our bills.

Even in an energy crisis? I imagine when you are faced with severe drought you also argue that you should be able to use as much water as you want as long as you pay your bills? What an argument. I'm not entirely sure where it comes from - blatant disregard for the needs of the society over the needs of an individual? Just money? Belief that as long as you pay for something then the greater impact on everyone else shouldn't be considered? I'm so baffled by replies like yours.

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Post by ciconia »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #60
ciconia wrote: post #59

What would a modern human do without technology? Judging from the comments here it seems almost nobody can tolerate anything less than perfect thermal confort. Personally I find this ridiculous. Our bodies are perfectly capable of regulating their temperature over a pretty wide range of circumstances, especially with the help of adequate clothing, yet people are complaining about 18c in the winter or 25c in the summe…

> Judging from the comments here it seems almost nobody can tolerate anything less than perfect thermal confort. You could use the same argument against any modern technology. A car? Our bodies are designed to walk for hours. A hot shower? Our bodies can withstand cold water, and don't need to be washed every day anyway. And so on and so forth.

> You could use the same argument against any modern technology.

Yes, technology is there to make our lives more comfortable, but at what price? Is modern society mature enough to weigh the pros and cons of each technology? I doubt it.

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