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Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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Invest in companies that are actually producing something valuable. That's the way to restart the economy. Can we all move on from the social media bubble and get back to real work now ?

But IBM doesn't build products anymore. They're primarily a consultancy.

IBM and Oracle are the champions of the world when it comes to selling ultra customized supply chain and communication systems to Top-500 companies.

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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Invest in companies that are actually producing something valuable. That's the way to restart the economy. Can we all move on from the social media bubble and get back to real work now ?

... says the guy posting his comment via social media. (Yes, HN qualifies.)

It bothers me when people apply a new buzzword to an old concept. Calling things like HN and forums "Social Media" is no more descriptive than calling a garbage truck driver a "sanitation engineer."

I can just imagine less scrupulous investors saying, "Hey, look! That thing you're doing? It fits in my overly-broad buzzword category! Give me money for my Social Media fund!"

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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FWIW, IBM is more expensive on a PE basis, trading at trailing PE of 14 compared to Microsoft's PE of 9.8.

He said he won't buy MSFT b/c he's close with Gates. If he bought and they announced a share buyback / dividend, people would wonder if he heard something from Gates. He sees no point in running that risk. Not a MSFT fan myself but I have to regard Buffett's frienship with Gates as a pretty strong endorsement of him as a businessman.

> I have to regard Buffett's frienship with Gates as a pretty strong endorsement of him as a businessman.

I would have assumed it had more to do with endorsing him as a philanthropist...

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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On the contrary, they build specialized products for their clients; they just don't build consumer products. They build very complicated, extremely expensive products based on cutting edge research that they perform in their own labs, which is why this investment is solid. I heard an IBM guy give a talk at a research conference recently, about a 1U rack system that processes 8 live feeds of traffic, automatically cla…

As an example, this reminds me a bit about P4 (Perforce www.perforce.com). It seems to be not that well known as say git, or other versioning systems, but in reality it's widely used in the game development, and last I've heard google, Microsoft and other big companies do use it (or use some licensed source code based version of it).

I have worked for at least one game development studio that uses perforce on a massive Unreal-Engine codebase. I have no major complaints about it - I'd imagine the primary reason it was used was for administration purposes (tighter control by an admin / senior level developer). You know, so us n00bs didn't wreck everything at every available opportunity.

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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Please, read the HN guidelines, especially the parts about being civil and replying to arguments instead of calling names.

You may not realize it, but 6sigma just did the equivalent of walking into a programming discussion and shouting "goto is evil!". It displays a disturbing and dangerous disconnect from reality. As a rule, I don't try to sugar-coat my responses to the willfully ignorant, but in the context, I don't see anything uncivil about my reply.

Your response to Hessenwolf is great, and it's clear you know what you are talking about. I happily voted it up. But your reply to 6sigma is indeed uncivil, and I did my part to downvote it into oblivion. Since you apparently didn't intend to offend, I'll try to explain why people (me included) are having a negative reaction to it.

Starting off with "Hint" is condescending. Don't do it unless you intend to condescend, as this is uncivil. 6sigma offered a fact, qualified with "For what it's worth". You read a specific meaning into that fact, and are attacking him for the meaning that you have chosen to assign to his statement. This is impolite. Ask for clarification before assuming intent. And try to avoid insults like "worst kind of shallow, ignorant investor".

But please stick around and offer more solid comments like the one to Hessenwolf!

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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... says the guy posting his comment via social media. (Yes, HN qualifies.)

It bothers me when people apply a new buzzword to an old concept. Calling things like HN and forums "Social Media" is no more descriptive than calling a garbage truck driver a "sanitation engineer." I can just imagine less scrupulous investors saying, "Hey, look! That thing you're doing? It fits in my overly-broad buzzword category! Give me money for my Social Media fund!"

>It bothers me when people apply a new buzzword to an old concept. Calling things like HN and forums "Social Media" is no more descriptive than calling a garbage truck driver a "sanitation engineer."

But it's a social... version of media...

What exactly is wrong with using a properly descriptive term that is in popular usage? Almost entirely unlike your garbage truck driver.

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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IBM's business model is approximately "We will solve your problems for piles and piles of money. Usually not problems that require technical breakthroughs or research level computer science knowledge, but ill-defined problems that involve many stakeholders, much politics, and complex business logic." They make their money as a professional services company (a model Buffett has no trouble understanding) that uses tech…

That is IBM Global Services, which is basically the same as Accenture, Cap Gemini, Wipro etc, IT outsourcing/offshoring. It's about half of IBM, by revenue.

Right. IBM still invests in "technical breakthroughs or research level computer science knowledge" at well funded labs. The two biggest are at Almaden, CA, and Yorktown, NY.

Like any lab looking at fundamental science, it's hard to judge how much of that activity leads to profit. Some research groups do also make/sell products that are cutting edge, though, on a consulting basis. E.g. the storage group in Almaden makes insanely large custom storage systems for very big - often federal govt - clients.

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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As an example, this reminds me a bit about P4 (Perforce www.perforce.com). It seems to be not that well known as say git, or other versioning systems, but in reality it's widely used in the game development, and last I've heard google, Microsoft and other big companies do use it (or use some licensed source code based version of it).

Perforce is unpleasant to use, but it scales effectively to positively massive codebases with large binary blobs and many developers.

Perforce is well deployed on variety of systems. Git is fine, but cygwin's version can get broken due to fork() not always forking (no one to blame here, the cygwin folks are doing an enourmous job to translate over).

P4 also comes with approachable UI (p4win (MFC), and the not so pleasant, but then again better P4v (Qt)).

The command line is one of the easiest things ever p4 has did. For large binary files it's very well done, there is good customization of how many levels of file log to be kept.

But the best feature it's is changelists. The CL (heh, not common lisp) becomes part of your language at work, such as - get this CL, or shelve this CL, unshelve that one. It's very clear to a lot of people (coders, artists, production) what it is, and how it works.

I'm still puzzled by "git stash" or push/pull here and there (granted I'm n00b, and it would take me a lot of time to progress).

P4 is like good action game, GIT is like hard-core RPG where you need to level all the time, and learn magic, collect artifacts (that is scripts, and .gitignores).

Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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On the contrary, they build specialized products for their clients; they just don't build consumer products. They build very complicated, extremely expensive products based on cutting edge research that they perform in their own labs, which is why this investment is solid. I heard an IBM guy give a talk at a research conference recently, about a 1U rack system that processes 8 live feeds of traffic, automatically cla…

As an example, this reminds me a bit about P4 (Perforce www.perforce.com). It seems to be not that well known as say git, or other versioning systems, but in reality it's widely used in the game development, and last I've heard google, Microsoft and other big companies do use it (or use some licensed source code based version of it).

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Re: Buffett Says Berkshire Has Bought About $10.7 Billion in IBM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, they build specialized products for their clients; they just don't build consumer products. They build very complicated, extremely expensive products based on cutting edge research that they perform in their own labs, which is why this investment is solid. I heard an IBM guy give a talk at a research conference recently, about a 1U rack system that processes 8 live feeds of traffic, automatically cla…

As an example, this reminds me a bit about P4 (Perforce www.perforce.com). It seems to be not that well known as say git, or other versioning systems, but in reality it's widely used in the game development, and last I've heard google, Microsoft and other big companies do use it (or use some licensed source code based version of it).

I think that one of the reasons perforce is used at large companies is the audit log / permissions model makes it easy to meet certain regulatory hurdles.
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