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Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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This is a very imperfect analogy, but CPUs are typically designed using a high level language like SystemVerilog (equivalent to something like C++ in the software world.) To actually get the CPU manufactured, you have to "compile" it into a binary format that specifies the physical layout of the chip while respecting a set of design rules for whatever process you're targeting. These rules are usually considered highl…

I dream of a world where public libraries have CPU printers. 180nm isn't crazy awful though, is it? That's about 20 years back, so you won't be doing ML, but it's enough to have industry applications and low power general purpose computing.

180 nm is what the first generation of Intel Pentium 4 and the second generation of AMD Athlon have used, in 2000.

While you would not want to make a CPU in 180 nm now, or any purely digital circuit, which could be better made with a FPGA, unless you need clock frequencies over 1 GHz, if you want to make any mixed digital-analog circuit with an important analog part, 180 nm can be fine.

Any analog circuit part made in 180 nm will not be much larger than in any up-to-date process, because the dimensions of the analog components are determined by functional requirements, such as noise or maximum current, not by the lithography limits.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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Is it a random complaint though? How is it any different from everyone regularly warning against investing in google services because they are shut down so often? Seems pretty relevant for anyone who is considering investing in this project but isn't aware of Google's behavior with other large open source projects, e.g. Android. Imagine if people told naysayers to shut up when Microsoft was trying to destroy Linux wi…

It’s not any different and that’s exactly the problem. Everyone is well aware by now that sometimes Google shuts down services. Been there, lived it. Writing low-effort comments about how Google often shuts down services makes the Google-related topics on Hacker News more tedious to read and you should stop doing that. Better to share links to interesting and relevant content. News about what was happening with the S…

I appreciate your opinion, but not your commands about what I should do. I respectfully disagree - I don't think everyone is fully aware of all of Google's particular misdeeds and bad practices, and I don't think the tone around Google efforts is negative enough. My post is one of activism, not complaint.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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Important note: this is a high voltage process for things like power+battery management chips. It is not a general logic process. The press release really should mention this. The transistors on this process are very slow and power-hungry, even for such an old process -- the lowest rated supply voltage for this process is 3.3 volts whereas 1.8 volts is typical for 180nm. That's ~3.35x the active power consumption and…

You are right that this is very important.

Also this does make this 180 nm variant much more useful.

There are many kinds of interfaces or analog devices for which such a high-voltage process is absolutely needed.

Now, you can design a complete chip set for certain applications, e.g. with a central chip designed with the 90 nm Skywater PDK and one or more peripheral chips designed with the 180 nm GlobalFoundries PDK, for power management or various interfaces.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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Pretty much this, just run android without GMS and you quickly discover how limited it can be if you don't know what your doing.

Except that there are also a few people like myself. I am now at my 3rd Android smartphone and I have always used all of them without GMS and without a Google account and I do not feel that I have missed anything.

All the mobile phone services, camera, clock/calendar, file storage, Web browsing, including the use of anything accessible on the Web, e.g. Google Maps, all work OK, and I do not need anything else from my phone.

The very few extra applications that I have installed, e.g. an authentication app for the VPN of my company, have been side loaded, not from the Google Store.

The only problem that I have ever had with the lack of a Google account was that one of the banks with which I work has discontinued their Web interface for online banking and has mandated the use of a phone app for authentication. As their staff seems very stupid, they had not provided any way to side load their app, but it could be installed only from the Google Store.

Seeing that they cannot be reasoned with, I have canceled my online banking service at that bank and I have reverted to an older form of SMS service, which still provides me most of the features that I need, e.g. receiving notifications on transactions from my accounts and interrogating the accounts balance. The loss is theirs, because I now do more frequently banking operations at other banks, which do not have stupid conditions tied to their online banking services.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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I might get some hate for this, but Google seems to be doing some really cool things, like in fintech as well as this silicon project. Google Finance is one of the only players I've seen with an interest of opening things up when so much of the industry is about pushing others out and restricting access. Like for example the CME deal, to open source live, low latency stock market data. Bloomberg might let you rent it…

Google main objective for many years was to get as many people online and using digital services as possible so that they can make money of them. I think it is quite under appreciated how much of todays web systems is because of Google using and promoting opensource as well as open sourcing its older tech stack.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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I might get some hate for this, but Google seems to be doing some really cool things, like in fintech as well as this silicon project. Google Finance is one of the only players I've seen with an interest of opening things up when so much of the industry is about pushing others out and restricting access. Like for example the CME deal, to open source live, low latency stock market data. Bloomberg might let you rent it…

> in a world where trades are reaching the 3 millisecond and below mark

Industry average for those colocated and trading using software is going to be closer to something like 20-30 microseconds

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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Star Wars confused parsecs with a unit of time, not light years.

FYI there's apparently some retcon stuff about that, e.g. maybe the Kessel run is around a particularly dangerous area of space (black holes or w/e), so accomplishing it in LESS parsecs is something to brag about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

an earlier retcon was "that was Lucas's subtle way of showing that han solo talked a lot without necessarily knowing what he was taking about"

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/financial-services/buil... This link has more info

That seems really cool, thanks for posting. However, I did notice that their demo does not seem to have any live prices right now (the demo is a couple years old, so maybe no longer live): https://showcase.withgoogle.com/marketdata Also, to the point about Bloomberg's high subscription fees, they provide all imaginable financial data under the sun. This google demo with CME is just CME data, which is a small, albeit…

Pretty sure a Bloomberg terminal subscription doesn't get you unlimited data at all the venues. You still have to pay extra to subscribe to individual feeds.

And yes, you're right on these costs. Some exchanges will charge large 5 figure sums annually just to give you a port so you can subscribe to some unreliable (UDP), poorly thought out, over-engineered-in-the-early-2000s, market data protocol that requires you to spend weeks of engineering effort to debug and normalize because hey... every exchange wants to use a different tech stack and none of their customers want to use a vendor library, so they don't exist.

The irony is a lot of organisations that are used to dealing with these feeds struggle when it comes to crypto, because they're not used to a world of websockets and public facing IPs, or the risk of exposing their machines to the internet.

One company I know pays a small 5 figure annual sum to a shitty "cloud solutions provider" for what is essentially just a dual NIC reverse proxy providing access to Coinbase via a stable IP. The is provider of course charges thousands per IP. Managing public cloud infrastructure is just outside of its comfort zone.

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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What's happening with Taiwan/TSMC right now is...

china is adamant about taiwan, like putin about the donbass. So it is not unreasonable to think that what is happening for the donbass, will happen for taiwan sooner or later.

maybe it is time for top-notch foundries to move out (and the ppl who would require more freedom that the china regime tolerate, like in hong-kong).

Re: GlobalFoundries joins Google’s open source silicon initiative

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I might get some hate for this, but Google seems to be doing some really cool things, like in fintech as well as this silicon project. Google Finance is one of the only players I've seen with an interest of opening things up when so much of the industry is about pushing others out and restricting access. Like for example the CME deal, to open source live, low latency stock market data. Bloomberg might let you rent it…

> remote controlled barge out in the pacific garbage patch

Whilst I like the thought behind idea, these ocean garbage patches aren't easy to clean up with a barge.

> For many people, the idea of a “garbage patch” conjures up images of an island of trash floating on the ocean. In reality, these patches are almost entirely made up of tiny bits of plastic, called microplastics. Microplastics can’t always be seen by the naked eye. Even satellite imagery doesn’t show a giant patch of garbage. The microplastics of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch can simply make the water look like a cloudy soup. This soup is intermixed with larger items, such as fishing gear and shoes.

Better to clean things up at the source. It is estimated that 90% of all plastic waste in our oceans come from just 10 rivers in Asia.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/great-paci...

https://m.dw.com/en/almost-all-plastic-in-the-ocean-comes-fr...

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