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Nothing is "non-negotiable" in business. Just say "no".
That's exactly what I did. I had my checkbook and was there to put in a deposit when I found out. Here's an abridged version of how the conversation went: > Me: I don't want that and won't be paying for it. > Them: Well we do it for all new cars and you can't have us not do it. > Me: Well then you can either eat the cost of this unnecessary "service" or sell me the car for $700 under MSRP to make up for it. > Them: S…
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Nothing is "non-negotiable" in business. Just say "no".
That's exactly what I did. I had my checkbook and was there to put in a deposit when I found out. Here's an abridged version of how the conversation went: > Me: I don't want that and won't be paying for it. > Them: Well we do it for all new cars and you can't have us not do it. > Me: Well then you can either eat the cost of this unnecessary "service" or sell me the car for $700 under MSRP to make up for it. > Them: S…
The advertised price has to include everything a typical buyer will end up paying.
Eg. it was found illegal to advertise a certain price which only applied if you paid with a certain quite rare credit card. (and there was a surcharge for other cards). You have to show that a good chunk of buyers end up paying the advertised price.
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That's exactly what I did. I had my checkbook and was there to put in a deposit when I found out. Here's an abridged version of how the conversation went: > Me: I don't want that and won't be paying for it. > Them: Well we do it for all new cars and you can't have us not do it. > Me: Well then you can either eat the cost of this unnecessary "service" or sell me the car for $700 under MSRP to make up for it. > Them: S…
There you go. You couldn't reach agreement so no deal. Nobody was forced into anything.
TBH, the only real issue I have with this is dealers capturing all the markup - this is happening because paying those prices gets you a new car now , and not in 12mo when the supply shortage is relieved. I'm not exactly sure how these things work, but if the manufacturer is forbidden from selling direct and dodging the dealer, that's a problem. If the manufacturer could, but is choosing not to, well, that's on them…
TBH, the only real issue I have with this is dealers capturing all the markup - this is happening because paying those prices gets you a new car now , and not in 12mo when the supply shortage is relieved. I'm not exactly sure how these things work, but if the manufacturer is forbidden from selling direct and dodging the dealer, that's a problem. If the manufacturer could, but is choosing not to, well, that's on them…
I'm not certain the supply shortage will be relieved in 12mo. Or ever. We seem to live in a post-post-scarcity society
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There you go. You couldn't reach agreement so no deal. Nobody was forced into anything.
But the point stands - if everyone walks out, and the only people driving out are those who accepted the service, they can't reasonably be considered a $0 MSRP dealer.
FTFA
> “The problem with the majority of other new car search sites is that they are not using crowdsourced data — they are using the data dealerships provide,” Soucie-Howren said. “We have found that the majority of dealerships do not display the true markup data or mandated add-ons.”
Sounds like your concerns are taken into account - the founders claim to take into account "mandated options" (such as it is).
I've contributed a few dealerships around Illinois. Wife is looking for a Chevy Bolt after her car was scraped in an accident (the other person's fault). Every dealership other than a single local one is charging between $5K and $10K "market adjustment". I'm sure many of these are just charging the markup no matter what. But I have a theory many charge this if you're from out of town and won't be paying them later fo…
How do they know you're from out of town when they give you the quote? Do they refuse to quote without a valid and verified address?
After all, can't you just give them a local address when asking for the quote?
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That's exactly what I did. I had my checkbook and was there to put in a deposit when I found out. Here's an abridged version of how the conversation went: > Me: I don't want that and won't be paying for it. > Them: Well we do it for all new cars and you can't have us not do it. > Me: Well then you can either eat the cost of this unnecessary "service" or sell me the car for $700 under MSRP to make up for it. > Them: S…
There you go. You couldn't reach agreement so no deal. Nobody was forced into anything.