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Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by dxf »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52

One of my favourite little stories is how Mr Rogers started off in Canada. He brought a small team to Toronto and did the show there for a year. One member of the team stayed in Canada when the rest returned to the States. His name was Mr. Dressup, which for many Canadians is our cherished childhood equivalent of Mr. Rogers.

Mr. Rogers didn't start his children's programming work in Canada. That started when he worked on Josie Carey's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Carey) show The Children's Corner on WQED in Pittsburg. Several of the puppets he used on Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood were first seen on The Children's Corner.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

fallingknife wrote: post #41
Dylan16807 wrote: post #34

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> You will probably fall back to the line that black students would have had a higher GPA if they weren't discriminated against in other areas of society, but then it's not the school doing the discriminating. And this is the core of the problem. Instead of selecting the best students, universities have decided to select who they think hypothetically would have been the best student in a perfect world, and doing a ve…

> but once they get into the college environment they will be a better student How, exactly? Not that this really matters b/c universities today are credentialing scams where no one fails out. > And those two getting most of the focus is because they get most of the discrimination. Citation needed. And if they were being at all quantitative about this, at least I would have some sympathy. The giveaway is that they ar…

What does Harvard have to hide? The way "legacy" admissions work, mainly. But that extends to making the whole system very opaque.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by shadowgovt »

lc9er wrote: post #70
shadowgovt wrote: post #62

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Joanne is still here, and did a lot of work making sure Fred's projects had the forward direction he'd have wanted after he passed away. She's an absolute delight and an accomplished pianist in addition to her other accolades.

She passed away last year, but I remember her doing some press the last few years, and was always delightful. She seemed a little mischievous in a way that seemed like it would have offset Fred's near-saintly disposition.

I missed that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

He was very mischievous too in his own way... I'm not surprised they were such a good match.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by anonymousiam »

shadowgovt wrote: post #68
anonymousiam wrote: post #60

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Please elaborate on what it is that I do not understand. Which version of anti-racisim did Mr. Rogers embrace? https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-o...

When Fred Rogers shared a wading pool with François Clemmons, public pools had been legally desegregated for only five years. The underlying stigma that had justified the segregation (the notion that black people were dirty or dangerous) hadn't gone away with the passing of the law. Fred made the conscious decision to demonstrate to his viewers, on his show, that the messages some of them would be receiving from pare…

Okay, so your indirect answer to my question is, Fred Rogers was practicing the anti-racism of 1970. Super! The article (published last year) does not make that distinction, and it seems like a disingenuous attempt to legitimize modern anti-racism by conflating it with the past version.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by dragonwriter »

anonymousiam wrote: post #60
halostatue wrote: post #6

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Stop selectively using Dr King’s words to support a stance that his writings, especially his writings later than the "I have a dream" speech, do not support. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.... https://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/justice06.htm#Co... Mister Rogers absolutely embraced anti-racism on his show. That you do not understand that says much more about you than about anyone…

Please elaborate on what it is that I do not understand. Which version of anti-racisim did Mr. Rogers embrace? https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-o...

Well, nothing having to do with the fantasies expressed in that fact-free opinion piece in that garbage outlet luring Boomers by publishing under the name of what was, decades ago, a reasonably respected print weekly.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by halostatue »

anonymousiam wrote: post #60
halostatue wrote: post #6

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Stop selectively using Dr King’s words to support a stance that his writings, especially his writings later than the "I have a dream" speech, do not support. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.... https://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/justice06.htm#Co... Mister Rogers absolutely embraced anti-racism on his show. That you do not understand that says much more about you than about anyone…

Please elaborate on what it is that I do not understand. Which version of anti-racisim did Mr. Rogers embrace? https://www.newsweek.com/real-problem-critical-race-theory-o...

The right-wing abomination known as "critical race theory", as described in that Newsweek article, is that it has absolutely no connection to what real anti-racism is. The anti-CRT people—let’s call them what they really are, pro-racists—have created something from whole cloth that allows them to raise lots of money and outrage.

The two privileged white authors of the opinion piece are disingenuous, at best, as what they present as "anti-CRT" does not match the videos and witch hunts that I have observed over the last couple of years led by the same sorts of screaming white crowds as throw rocks at Ruby Bridges.

Similarly, what they are presenting as "CRT" is 100% identical to the pro-racist straw construction. It does not even remotely resemble any program that any of the many anti-racist activists I know would support.

The same people who threw rocks at Ruby Bridges in 1960 are now terrified that their grandchildren are going to learn that they were people who threw rocks at Ruby Bridges.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by Woberto »

dxf wrote: post #71
Waterluvian wrote: post #52

One of my favourite little stories is how Mr Rogers started off in Canada. He brought a small team to Toronto and did the show there for a year. One member of the team stayed in Canada when the rest returned to the States. His name was Mr. Dressup, which for many Canadians is our cherished childhood equivalent of Mr. Rogers.

Mr. Rogers didn't start his children's programming work in Canada. That started when he worked on Josie Carey's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Carey ) show The Children's Corner on WQED in Pittsburg. Several of the puppets he used on Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood were first seen on The Children's Corner.

I think OP was referring to how Mr. Rogers introduced the show to a Canadian viewership, not him starting the show there

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by dxf »

Woberto wrote: post #77
dxf wrote: post #71

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Mr. Rogers didn't start his children's programming work in Canada. That started when he worked on Josie Carey's ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Carey ) show The Children's Corner on WQED in Pittsburg. Several of the puppets he used on Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood were first seen on The Children's Corner.

I think OP was referring to how Mr. Rogers introduced the show to a Canadian viewership, not him starting the show there

Oh, I think you may be right. Thanks!

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Post by slothtrop »

RajT88 wrote: post #50
hinkley wrote: post #3

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Before the #MeToo movement there was a slow ramp of scandals about celebrities and for a while there every time someone posted about Fred I would recite a little litany in my head, Pleasebegoodpleasebegoodpleasebegood That went into overdrive after the first rumors about Bill Cosby started up. And then by John Lassiter I was a momentary wreck every time Fred made the news. Fred Rogers has been gone long enough now th…

I enjoy casually horrifying people by mentioning that Fred Rogers had 2 children. Which means that he at least occasionally did the nasty.

I mention that he was a lifelong Republican.

Re: Mr. Rogers sued the KKK (2021)

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Post by halostatue »

zdragnar wrote: post #61
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #58

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Is it true that all children are equally capable of learning?

When broken down by race, yes. Economic status and two-parent vs one-parent households are both stronger indicators of educational achievement than pretty much any other, including race.

However, when broken down by race, economic status is heavily weighted by race in America and Canada (differently in each country, but but still present).

One can’t simply assume spherical cows here, because there is a deeply historic, systemic, and persistent imbalance which gets compounded through chronic underfunding of economically depressed (and mostly minority) education systems. Some of the systemic racism is ongoing and being actively encouraged by bad actors who misuse the words of Dr King to oppose real measures that would begin to address these imbalances.

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