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Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by idiotsecant »

pyuser583 wrote: post #33
hprotagonist wrote: post #3

Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as po…

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So when a child is raped (which definitely happened, by definition) we should avoid talking about it because it might hurt the case of the person accused of the crime? The justice system assumes innocence until proven guilty. The court of public opinion need hold no such lofty ideal. Nor should it.

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by adamrezich »

jjoonathan wrote: post #43
dinkblam wrote: post #7

same as with covid, which is dangerous but not anymore so than many other preventable causes of death that are completely ignored instead of hyped as the end-of-the-world. we are truly in an age of perpetual unfounded social panic. thanks twitter. as with most other problems, more educated people, especially regarding science, math and specifically statistics could help prevent these foolishnesses.

> dangerous but not anymore so We can all tell you weren't actually listening to the experts you so detest because that wasn't their stated rationale. The rationale was "flatten the curve" -- some hospitals were two doubling periods away from having parking lots full of people slowly dying for want of ventilators. That's what the lockdowns were about. Making sure we never overwhelmed the medical infrastructure. Subse…

I ignored it and it went away. I worked as a cashier at Walmart during most of the pandemic lockdown times and came down with multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day, yet somehow never caught covid, despite remaining unvaccinated while working at a Walmart in a tourist town during tourist season. my local civic center set up an emergency clinic that remained 100% unused for the entire time it was active. the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader disease nexus, and that never happened either—more people died from traffic accidents (which were down from previous years!) than covid.

and now it's gone! look at that.

at some point, even if only years after the fact, one must reconcile the reality of the situation with the narrative they were sold on, and ask themselves if the two line up at all. how many Republican-voting Americans today still believe the Iraq invasion was ever really truly about weapons of mass destruction, or that the entire incursion was righteous in any way? how many Republican-voting Americans have any love left for the 43rd President at all, despite their fervor at the time?

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by seoaeu »

anon291 wrote: post #64
seoaeu wrote: post #62

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Based on what facts? The tribes negotiated the treaties and negotiated fairly large changes from the governments initial proposals (mainly to do with more monetary funding). Yet, they said little about schooling. Perhaps they didn't know what was going on (and I agree that abuses took place), but the desire for their children to be more European was absolutely there. It is very clearly documented. This is in stark co…

“Perhaps they didn't know”?! You think the tribes knew about the atrocities and were ok with them?

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Post by pseudo0 »

cm2187 wrote: post #54
pyuser583 wrote: post #39

It’s funny because the narrative works just fine without the mass graves. A local paper (in the US) interviewed survivors/graduates on “Indian” schools. The administrators sent kids home as soon as they were sick. So there were no graveyards, even when lots of student were dying (Spanish flu).

Wait, the article is silent on the cause of death. Are you saying these deaths were just the result of some disease? Everything in the media treatment of these deaths implies mistreatment of the kids. If it was just a virus, particularly in the early days of medicine, this would be a scandal created out of thin air.

Yes, the vast majority of residential school deaths were due to endemic diseases. The primary accusation regarding deaths is that the residential schools had a higher death rate than comparable populations, and the state should have provided more resources and better medical care.

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Post by Comevius »

thepasswordis wrote: post #2

It’s crazy how when a lie takes hold, it just stays forever. Another is relayed to January 6th protests. A friend today, a conservative DeSantis supporter, told me that he knew that on January 6th, the protestors killed several police officers. This is, as we know now, absolutely false. It was based on a rumor, and once the reporting caught up, it turned out to be false. Similarly I’m sure there will be Canadians who…

To be fair 5 officers died not long after the attack. Brian Sidnick was pepper sprayed twice and died a day later suffering two strokes. Howard Liebengood and Jeffrey Smith died by suicide a few days after the attack, and Kyle DeFreytag and Gunther Hashida died by suicide a few months later.

A popular Facebook post claimed that Joe Biden said that several police officers died during the attack, which could be the source of the lie.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/19/facebook-p...

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Post by munk-a »

baryphonic wrote: post #68
munk-a wrote: post #8

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Be careful with your wording here - the suicide of Officer Smith, at least, has been pretty unambiguously tied directly back to trauma suffered on Jan 6th. So while a police officer wasn't directly killed through physical violence on Jan 6th the actions of protestors can be fairly said to have instigated the death of a police officer. I think the big misstatement of the media here was the unrelated natural causes dea…

This seems like total post-hoc reasoning like the debunked "violent video games cause real-life violence." Ultimately Officer Smith chose to take his own life; no one made that choice for him. He may have been appalled or traumatized or whatever, but ultimately he's the one who did it. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but it's extremely tenuous absent additional evidence to lay blame at anyone but he himself. If ther…

Sorry, I had omitted sourcing in my original comment but here:

> Dr. Jonathan Arden, the former Chief Medical Examiner of the District of Columbia was hired by Smith's widow as part of her lawsuit to have her husband's suicide ruled "in the line of duty". His report stated that the "acute, precipitating event that caused the death of Officer Smith was his occupational exposure to the traumatic events he suffered on January 6, 2021".[1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeffrey_L._Smith

Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by idiotsecant »

YourFriend87 wrote: post #59
dragonwriter wrote: post #24

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> Only someone who was born with ovaries and a uterus can have a baby, menstruate, or chest feed (aka "breast feed"). This is D work (67%). EDIT: For clarity, the last of the three claims is incorrect: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/ https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/106/5/e2047/6123860 https://internationalbreastfeedingjournal.biomedcentral.com/...

But the first two are correct? Is that what you're saying?

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Post by happytoexplain »

YourFriend87 wrote: post #60
aaomidi wrote: post #36

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Why did you feel the need to comment this on something entirely unrelated?

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I think it's misleading to say that "men can't have babies" is taboo. What you're actually referring to is a semantic argument about gender identity, and the one-sentence version just omits that context so it can "look" objectively true.

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cm2187 wrote: post #54
pyuser583 wrote: post #39

It’s funny because the narrative works just fine without the mass graves. A local paper (in the US) interviewed survivors/graduates on “Indian” schools. The administrators sent kids home as soon as they were sick. So there were no graveyards, even when lots of student were dying (Spanish flu).

Wait, the article is silent on the cause of death. Are you saying these deaths were just the result of some disease? Everything in the media treatment of these deaths implies mistreatment of the kids. If it was just a virus, particularly in the early days of medicine, this would be a scandal created out of thin air.

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