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Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by DanHulton »

numinoid wrote: post #44
DanHulton wrote: post #16

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This is largely why I built Nodewood [1]. Every time I wanted to start a new project, almost always a SaaS idea, I'd skip over the "boring stuff" like building user management, subscription management, teams, admin, all that, to get to the meat of the business logic, to make sure I had a valid idea. But I still needed all that stuff eventually, so I'd have to lose time later building it all in! So I decided to just b…

Just an FYI, your styling doesn't seem to be responsive on an iPhone X

Oh thanks for pointing that out! I originally owned a 12 Pro when I built out that front page, but have since moved to a 13 Mini and I'm seeing some responsiveness bugs now, too.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by marmada »

This is too funny. I predicted that when I entered this post the first comment would be HN people bemoaning complexity. And indeed it was.

The commenter's proposed solution was WASM. Wasm doesn't solve the issues in this post. What does this post talk about:

- serving content from the edge (wasm doesn't do anything there) - asset optimization (wasm doesn't help)

- pre-rendering complex pages to static HTML+css (wasm doesn't help)

More broadly, minimizing network trips, pre-fetching data, etc. etc. these are all things where Wasm won't help any more or less than JS.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by Cyberdog »

rileymat2 wrote: post #64
Cyberdog wrote: post #54

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This is an "um ackshually" reply. Nobody used LiveWire and it died a swift death. And don't "um ackshually" me about saying "nobody." You know what I mean.

Classic asp also supports JavaScript, it is old and wide spread in the bowels of legacy sites. I thought of node as a victory for async more than anything else.

> I thought of node as a victory for async more than anything else.

In terms of server-side development? Async is rather useless on the server side. Can't generate a web page or JSON blob with the results of a database query until you actually get those results from the database. I can see the application for something like websockets but I presume most Node sites aren't using those.

I figured its success was due to V8 being reasonably fast, plus a generation of front-end-centric developers coming along who had learned to use JS quite heavily on the front end and didn't realize or didn't care that better options already existed on the back end.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by likeclockwork »

crooked-v wrote: post #70
throw_m239339 wrote: post #39

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React can be used as a templating library server-side in a node environment (like handlebars). It's a bit heavy for the task but it works.

A huge benefit React (and anything else that uses JSX) has over text-based templating is that you can strictly lint/typecheck JSX because ultimately it's just syntactic sugar over plain JS.

You can typecheck anything there exists a typechecker for.

Vue templates are typechecked for example.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by tambourine_man »

What a sad state “modern” web dev is in.

I’m glad that I’m living in a much faster and simpler world, but I fear, for end users and developers alike, that it is an ever shrinking one.

I really can’t understand the appeal of what, to my eyes, amount to endless layers of needless complexity.

I wish articles such as this one were more common:

https://alexcabal.com/posts/standard-ebooks-and-classic-web-...

This is the web I want and love.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by iratewizard »

aliqot wrote: post #20
tofuahdude wrote: post #8

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Its pretty hard to trust a lot of the eng content on the web right now; so much blogspam, self promo stuff from frankly underqualified people who are trying to build up a profile to get hired. Somehow I still don't feel that way about StackOverflow. Google and random results though... yikes.

Until now I had not found an eloquent way to express that emotion, but you come close. Somewhere around the time node got very popular, I started to notice a lot of impeccably branded (is that the right word? trendy maybe?) websites with tutorials that used all the right buzzwords to get me interested. Once I'd step through the content, it'd be very low quality. Despite the smooth lines and round edges, a lot of them…

There aren't many good reasons to make good web content like that today. Money? It's way oversaturated with people who can live off $400/y. Recognition? Your content will be stolen by the previous group a thousand times over. To make a difference? There are more rewarding ways to do that if you've got the deep industry knowledge.

Re: Build your own web framework

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Post by iratewizard »

marmada wrote: post #73

This is too funny. I predicted that when I entered this post the first comment would be HN people bemoaning complexity. And indeed it was. The commenter's proposed solution was WASM. Wasm doesn't solve the issues in this post. What does this post talk about: - serving content from the edge (wasm doesn't do anything there) - asset optimization (wasm doesn't help) - pre-rendering complex pages to static HTML+css (wasm…

That's HN. 8 years ago it would have been how Ethereum will make this all redundant
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