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Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

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I don't get it. I have a stellar resume and a proven track record in the public domain (open source but I've been struggling to find work and have accepted short term work for half my normal rate. There are so few opportunities, I had to switch to teaching people how to code.

Maybe it's due to syntax errors?

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#72

I don't get it. I have a stellar resume and a proven track record in the public domain (open source but I've been struggling to find work and have accepted short term work for half my normal rate. There are so few opportunities, I had to switch to teaching people how to code.

If you can't find a job with a "proven track record" in this market, you're doing something horribly wrong. I'm willing to bet $100 that your resume is not stellar.

Many people are bad at evaluating themselves. I've seen countless posts by juniors apparently "grinding hard" to get a job, and you just take 1 look at their resume and everything makes sense. Zero research on how to write resumes, zero prep, projects are garbage, shotgunning on indeed without some creativity etc.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#73

I don't get it. I have a stellar resume and a proven track record in the public domain (open source but I've been struggling to find work and have accepted short term work for half my normal rate. There are so few opportunities, I had to switch to teaching people how to code.

I think it may depend on what your expertise is.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#74

I don't get it. I have a stellar resume and a proven track record in the public domain (open source but I've been struggling to find work and have accepted short term work for half my normal rate. There are so few opportunities, I had to switch to teaching people how to code.

This seems to vary wildly depending on the market you're in.

At one end of the spectrum I have a few friends who are tech employees at senior-to-executive levels in major tech centres in the US. The way they talk it sounds like any of them could easily get five offers within a week or two all for a huge amount of money via their networks.

At the other end of the spectrum I have other friends with broadly similar experience and skill levels who do freelance or contract work here in the UK. That market has been wrecked by IR35 and Brexit on top of the same COVID problems, global economic conditions and rampant inflation as everyone else. There are fewer opportunities now. Maybe 80% of those that remain require a strange contract arrangement where you get none of the benefits of being an employee but somehow end up paying all of the overheads of both an employee and a large employer. And the regulatory change happened across the whole industry literally overnight so with the smaller market as well there doesn't seem to have been enough competition to push rates up to compensate.

Unsurprisingly several of my friends in the UK have considered going back to being permanent employees or already made the jump. But then the only way to make even decent money by US standards in the UK was to be an independent or to start your own business. So basically we have people with 10 or even 20 years of experience who might be staff/principal engineer level or senior engineering managers but whose total comp is about the same as a newbie starting their first job at a FAANG in any US tech centre.

Both groups find it hard to believe what's happening to the other but that doesn't mean either is wrong. They're effectively operating in entirely different markets with entirely different constraints.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#75
post #27

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I like to think IT is mostly inhabited by really smart ppl. One thing really smart ppl have in common is that they see the world as it is. They are aware of thr glaring issues incompetence has brought upon this world. And that causes depression. Looking at the future there is literally nothing to be happy about. Ppl are slowly preparing for civil wars, power outages, food shortage and worse. And those are ppl you wou…

>One thing really smart ppl have in common is that they see the world as it is. This is completely false. Isaac Newton spent more time studying alchemy and biblical prophecy than he did on mathematics and physics.

One could argue that at the time those weren’t as far removed as they are now.

Newton mostly figured out how things work, not necessarily why.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#76

Not only is there burn-out on the job, but could there also be interviewing burn-out? In the software industry, you're doing yourself a disservice by staying at a company for more than 3 years. Even 2 years is pushing it, that is unless you are seeing wage increases that match or exceed inflation. And even if you haven't reached that amount of time, it's smart to start applying and interviewing earlier so you can hav…

I went through this recently and by the time we reached the last stages of the process I've lost interest.

I realized I literally need to be unemployed to bother going through all of these useless stages.

Things I realized: The pay that is in the ad is always lower. That recruitor who won't go away just wants you part of a funnel they get paid for, if the company really wanted you they would just make an offer. Ghosting after sending a long take home tests is more common than ghosting after a regular interview.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#77
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of; ‘Loads of men are killed in war, women most affected’

Or more commonly: Stocks decline today on news of unemployment. I sure feel sad for those stocks.

I cringe every time I hear people celebrate the price of housing going up. Due to financialization we have an economy predicated on the necessities of life becoming increasingly expensive. I fantasize about the opposite; ubiquitous low cost quality housing available to even the most destitute. Sometimes I feel we're in Idiocracy and we're watering plants with Brawndo and wondering why the crops are dying.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#79
post #14

It points to developer apathy. I sometimes wonder if that's just the global feeling at the moment. Everyone that's working on widget X suddenly doesn't care because of all the crises going on. Rampant inflation, extreme inequality. By continuing to work on widget x they are just supporting more of the same. Think people want society to change a bit before moving forward with being happy.

This is just intrinsic to how businesses are run. Businesses are run by decision makers. Decision makers delegate tasks to do-ers. If do-ers mess up, it is solely their fault for underdelivering (in the eyes of the delegator/decision-maker). The idea that do-ers can make decisions or inversely - that decision makers can do (anything beside delegate) is alien in business.

> The idea that do-ers can make decisions or inversely - that decision makers can do (anything beside delegate) is alien in business.

No. Knowledge workers are never mere executors, by definition.

Additionally, not all business exists to benefit only the "decision makers". There are such things as coops, social utility companies and no profits.

Re: Developers are burned out, quitting jobs and creating a crisis for recruiters

#80
post #72

I don't get it. I have a stellar resume and a proven track record in the public domain (open source but I've been struggling to find work and have accepted short term work for half my normal rate. There are so few opportunities, I had to switch to teaching people how to code.

If you can't find a job with a "proven track record" in this market , you're doing something horribly wrong. I'm willing to bet $100 that your resume is not stellar. Many people are bad at evaluating themselves. I've seen countless posts by juniors apparently "grinding hard" to get a job, and you just take 1 look at their resume and everything makes sense. Zero research on how to write resumes, zero prep, projects ar…

The market is pretty rough now. Layoffs are flooding the market, pay is not going up and companies happy to interview are scared to hire.
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