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Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#71
The technology and adaptation is definitely not ripe -- yet!

But assessing the success of a web3 product by the ability of selling a specific product is akin to assessing the success of a country by its ability to sell passports.

The cost to offset the operations should come from the activity in the economy it encompasses -- these should not be assessed as traditional companies.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#72
post #27

I bought ETH when it was $7 back in 2017 and participated in literally every single investment I could until about 2019, resulting in 7 figure returns. I wouldn't touch the stuff now. The ability for regular people to invest in crypto back then made the ponzi-like architecture of it worth the risk. Now the VCs are trying to push their agendas, and it's blatantly obvious it's vapor.

Wait...what? You’re complaining about VCs pushing vapor while simultaneously admitting you participated in pumping “ponzi-like” schemes on regular people? You do realize those 7 figure returns you made were a direct wealth transfer from later-stage victims of the ponzi to you? I’m astonished you’re claiming moral superiority over VCs while sitting on wealth you took from thousands of poor people in places like Vietna…

Not sure about Ether, but there are plenty of people that 'bought in' to the Bitcoin idea and mined some coins early on without 'taking wealth from others'.

VCs are in there for entirely different reasons, and 'later stage investors' are always at risk of having their hair cut if what they invest in isn't worth what they paid for it, after all, they too were trying to take money from later day suckers.

I never paid a cent for any bitcoin, but I did pay about $100 to my electricity company to mine some just for the heck of it (and ended up giving it all away).

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#73

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Yet some VCs are still plowing into web3. There was an article today about how Moellis was getting into Web3 companies. I'm genuinely curious what their thought process is. I tend to be in the camp that web3 is just a bunch of hot air seeing how cryptos been around for quite a while now with few use cases, but I also give benefit of the doubt there could be something there given the nature of tech.

> I'm genuinely curious what their thought process is. The thought process for VCs investing in crypto is simple: they get a huge discount on the tokens in the raise that they can turn around and dump on retail a few months later for huge returns. Instead of waiting 10+ years for a traditional exit, they can get liquidity in a few months. As Chamath admitted on the podcast, even when they're on a vesting schedule the…

That’s my understanding as well after listening to Crypto Critics and Griftonomics podcasts. Highly recommend both although so much stuff is way over my head. I wish there was a beginner’s version :)

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#74

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web3 is going to thrive whether you like it or not. Primarily because of three reasons: - Greed. Its absurdly easy to make a ton of money very fast in crypto. As long as that's possible, money will keep pouring into the system. - Gambling. The global gambling industry is half a trillion every year. Even if you think crypto has no fundamentals and is akin to gambling, it still represents a massive market. Opening a 50…

> long as that's possible, money will keep pouring into the system This was an easy-money phenomenon. We have another rates announcement today. I expect crypto to respond like the clockwork leveraged risk asset it models. > global gambling industry is half a trillion every year This is a good analogy. It’s one I hear in legislative and regulatory halls in the U.S. and Europe, the money centres crypto depends on for i…

> Crypto company employees, however, stand to be boned.

I'm not going to be crying any tears for them. If you got into this from a business perspective you have zero excuse for pretending that you are not also partially to blame for the outcome. They'll be lucky if they avoid jail time in some cases.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#75

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web3 is going to thrive whether you like it or not. Primarily because of three reasons: - Greed. Its absurdly easy to make a ton of money very fast in crypto. As long as that's possible, money will keep pouring into the system. - Gambling. The global gambling industry is half a trillion every year. Even if you think crypto has no fundamentals and is akin to gambling, it still represents a massive market. Opening a 50…

> If "web2" hadn't shut off its own users from any semblance of ownership in the platforms, or had done more for privacy, web3 would have died in 2017. Honestly nobody cares about these things. This is just a narrative that was grafted onto Web3 after the fact.

Yep. Considering how web2.0 hype was about AJAX and webpages with dynamic content that did not require reloading the page.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#76
post #70

You can go to the Helium Explorer and look at nodes and their earnings directly: https://explorer.helium.com/ Zoom in, click a cell, click a node, click "30D" and you'll see the amount of HNT and how much that is worth at the current market rate. I didn't see any $6,500 nodes.

The Tweet seems to claim that $6.5k is the total monthly revenue of the network. The explorer seems to claim $2M (under "DC spent").

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#77

Don’t the terms of service for nearly all consumer ISPs explicitly prohibit sharing or reselling?

Who cares? It's not like a packet that's a result of sharing/reselling suddenly "weighs" more on the network wires.

You probably don't want someone distributing something like child porn over your home network

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#78

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Wait...what? You’re complaining about VCs pushing vapor while simultaneously admitting you participated in pumping “ponzi-like” schemes on regular people? You do realize those 7 figure returns you made were a direct wealth transfer from later-stage victims of the ponzi to you? I’m astonished you’re claiming moral superiority over VCs while sitting on wealth you took from thousands of poor people in places like Vietna…

Not sure about Ether, but there are plenty of people that 'bought in' to the Bitcoin idea and mined some coins early on without 'taking wealth from others'. VCs are in there for entirely different reasons, and 'later stage investors' are always at risk of having their hair cut if what they invest in isn't worth what they paid for it, after all, they too were trying to take money from later day suckers. I never paid a…

> mined some coins early on without 'taking wealth from others'

And how exactly did these mined coins become USD ?

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait...what? You’re complaining about VCs pushing vapor while simultaneously admitting you participated in pumping “ponzi-like” schemes on regular people? You do realize those 7 figure returns you made were a direct wealth transfer from later-stage victims of the ponzi to you? I’m astonished you’re claiming moral superiority over VCs while sitting on wealth you took from thousands of poor people in places like Vietna…

Not sure about Ether, but there are plenty of people that 'bought in' to the Bitcoin idea and mined some coins early on without 'taking wealth from others'. VCs are in there for entirely different reasons, and 'later stage investors' are always at risk of having their hair cut if what they invest in isn't worth what they paid for it, after all, they too were trying to take money from later day suckers. I never paid a…

The miners absolutely are taking wealth from others—-I can’t believe I’m getting sincere pushback about this.

The entire value of the Bitcoin you mined came from later stage “investors” in Bitcoin.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#80
post #8

The problem with Helium is that there's virtually no demand for LoRa protocol's super-low datarates. Cellular is a different story. There are already 3rd-party cellular towers operators who profitably provide data service to handsets on behalf of the big network providers. Tokenomics could work for cellular with carriers providing demand-side token consumption. However, cellular wasn't Helium's initial target, and wa…

Althea Networks does something similar with wifi mesh and cellular.
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