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South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Just waiting for that batshit bounty law (in Texas) to spread to other states. Basically, any citizen can sue anyone if they suspect aiding or abetting an abortion. There are seemingly no recourses either, for the defendant. If successful, the plaintiff can be awarded up to $10k - therefore a bounty law. So by that logic, you should be able to sue the owner of a website - as long as it is within the state, because th…

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Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

#72

Not a lawyer but doesn't this have serious 1st amendment problems? Article gets into this a bit: "Eric Goldman, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law, said the First Amendment and Section 230, a bill that shields internet providers and tech companies from liability for the posts, photos and videos people share on their sites, provide a strong defense in many instances for websites and providers facing l…

It's basically the Republican version of states that ban websites from hosting blueprints that tell how to make firearms.

It's more about scoring brownie points with your base and tying up your opponents in litigation for years... Even if they know the law is blatantly unconstitutional, there's no real downside to the legislatures (assuming their constituents support the unconstitutional law)

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Why are we using a 200+ year old document that represented the preferences of maybe 20% of the country to regulate the internet? That seems so completely absurd, almost like people are turning it into a holy book or fetishizing it.

>Why are we using a 200+ year old document that represented the preferences of maybe 20% of the country to regulate the internet? Because it and following interpretation provides the boundaries for law in the US. And comparing it to a fetish, or labeling it a 200 year old document, when is has been changed since then (last amended in 1992, still has multiple amendments pending, and can be changed again) is also absur…

It is hardly absurd to point out that the rules used in a formal system are leading to absurd, bad, broken results.

And people do fetishize the 200 year old document. (At least, the parts they like.) You see it all the time, and saying otherwise is also form of fetish or worship.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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I always worry when we start painting large groups of people with a single brush and labeling them the enemy. There are plenty of people who oppose abortion that are appalled at something like this or the Texas bounty hunting law. If we continue to try and paint each other group as a monolithic enemy other division will continue to rise and polarization will increase and the effects will be devestating.

To me, the bounty hunter law is reprehensible, but not as much as the motivation behind it. Those with that motivation can be treated as a single group. And to be frank, I don't care if they're unhappy to be lumped together. Lie with dogs and all that.

Should every movement be painted with the same brush as the worst people in the movement?

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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> For the NRLC, which wrote the model legislation, limiting communication is a key part of the strategy to aggressively enforce laws restricting abortion. “The whole criminal enterprise needs to be dealt with to effectively prevent criminal activity,” Jim Bopp, the group’s general counsel, wrote in a July 4 memo, comparing the group’s efforts to fighting organized crime. This basically tells you everything you need t…

Indeed.Then they will go for other rights that are clearly in the Constitution.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always worry when we start painting large groups of people with a single brush and labeling them the enemy. There are plenty of people who oppose abortion that are appalled at something like this or the Texas bounty hunting law. If we continue to try and paint each other group as a monolithic enemy other division will continue to rise and polarization will increase and the effects will be devestating.

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> If you oppose abortion, you're the enemy.

I don't know about that; I think it is possible to oppose abortion, but not seek to do so via legal remedies. Like opposing drinking or smoking, or game microtransactions, or IoT devices.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Phrasing a proposed bill as if it has taken effect is a standard tactic to evoke extra emotion resulting in extra clicks. Edit: seems I was wrong because bill means proposed law, so the clarification would have been redundant

A bill is a proposed law, by definition. You're assuming bad faith where there isn't any.

Thanks for correcting me, seems I am mistaken. I was under the impression bills that have been passed were also referred to as bills.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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> For the NRLC, which wrote the model legislation, limiting communication is a key part of the strategy to aggressively enforce laws restricting abortion. “The whole criminal enterprise needs to be dealt with to effectively prevent criminal activity,” Jim Bopp, the group’s general counsel, wrote in a July 4 memo, comparing the group’s efforts to fighting organized crime. This basically tells you everything you need t…

“Oh it was decided with bad reasoning. We can fix it now.” — bureaucratic apologists

“We could have acknowledged it was bad reasoning in a legal context but not a human rights and that a fix would just create the same status quo and left it.” — sane people

Agreed; this was a political flex to remind the proles grandpa is still sitting in the corner rambling nonsense.

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