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Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

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Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#71
It's been that way for years, as long as I can remember probably. But I still watch Youtube for probably ~50% of my content. I'd probably like podcasts but I never know how to play them. I just want educational content and, to my knowledge, Youtube has the best collection. I like hearing an expert in a field talk about a subject. Even Khan Academy has their content up on Youtube.

I signed up for Nebula and I barely use it. It's poorly curated, there's seemingly no recommendations so I'm just in a wash of content with no direction.

I think that it's probably worse the more you use it. The more I subscribe the more garbage I get recommended I think. I watched the raw footage of some of the Heard v Depp trial (as in - uncut, direct footage) and I don't know if my algorithmic output will ever recover - the shit I get recommended now is of zero interest to me. Similarly, I looked up a few 'how tos' for some games, and now I get tons of 'gamer' content. The other day Youtube recommended Ben Shapiro to me lol

But that's just the main page. If I'm already on a good video the sidebar recommendations are decent.

If there's something better please let me know, I hate Youtube as a construct and I think that the monetization of horribly low content is damaging in ways I can't even predict, but also I gotsta have my "expert on topic talks to me about interesting thing" content.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

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post #44

The whole Internet hat peaked due to monetization. Very little content is created because somebody is passionate about something and wants to share. Almost all content is created to either directly make money or to collect enough followers to eventually start making money. Everything is fake and optimized to grab attention. What organic content remains is drowned out by the firehose of monetized content.

What's the problem with the drive for monetization? Out in the physical world you also rarely get services and content for free. Also monetization here mostly means possibilites for donation and paying for extra content, usually most of a creator's content is still free. As for money-grabber content: a good platform should have an efficient and honest rating mechanism.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#73
There is so much content on youtube, especially independent music, that it's often I find that I need to purposefully watch things I want to see more of instead of letting autoplay or autorecommend take over.

Purposeful searching and watching habits make youtube much more enjoyable for me.

Of course `Dead Internet Theory` might be true, or at least feel that way, if you let the algorithms drive.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#74
post #44

The whole Internet hat peaked due to monetization. Very little content is created because somebody is passionate about something and wants to share. Almost all content is created to either directly make money or to collect enough followers to eventually start making money. Everything is fake and optimized to grab attention. What organic content remains is drowned out by the firehose of monetized content.

At some point we will have to start building a "second internet" that is governed through a network of trust rather than through an economy of attention grabbing.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#75

Maybe in some areas (software) but I'm finding YouTube a goldmine for my current interest - learning to drive in the UK When I was 17 I started learning for about 8 months but then stopped due to various reasons. I'm 35 now and picking it back up again and the most mind blowing aspect of it is how much content there is on YouTube to help learner drivers, compared to back then! There are loads of creators (usually dri…

100% agree with this. I passed my test in 2018, but YouTube was a game changer. The UK driving test is pretty difficult, and everyone always tells you horror stories about it, so being able to watch test videos reduces anxiety so much.

When you face the facts, it's just two 45-50 minute tests and each has a 45% pass ratio, so it's nowhere near as bad as people make it sound. You can easily pass on the first or second attempt if you study enough.

Failing your test can cost you loads of money in extra lessons, car hire, testing. It's so useful to be able to see lessons online and get better. Financially, I think YouTube lessons and tests can save the average learner £500-1000.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#76
Maybe free speech/creation spaces are moving away from massively capitalistic oriented spaces.

Because in the end, the search for maximization of profits may not be the best way to achieve creativity.

For a time, and I still think that somehow it's the case right now, a lot of creativity can be found on: TikTok, some Discord servers, etc. etc.

But clearly, Youtube feels like TV in a way: a bunch of "professional" people rehashing the same concepts over and over: over-produced fiction, gaming stuff, react-stuff, beauty stuff, etc.

The only thing that I currently value Youtube for is the access to science stuff: 3 blue 1 brown, Veritasium, etc. etc.

Oh also Youtube has become the home for the cancer of tutorial: the video tutorials. Why cancer? Because reading is faster, searchable, indexable, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#77
> It feels like the majority of content is no longer organic or passion driven. It is now monetisation driven content.

Yes. There is a griftopia or mania around these platforms which early adopters, geeks, etc have used it for fun for a long time and the tech bros go and successfully hijack it for monetisation and this has been happening since the 2000s up until this point.

I think there is no going back from this and this form of grifting is here to stay and it will continue on another platform which will take YouTube's place because the content creators, shills, marketers will go where the money is.

Now the money is in TikTok and you will watch that get destroyed very soon and the so-called early users will get upset because the platform has changed to favour big business or much larger creators manipulating the algorithm to favour them.

So I'm afraid you will be very disappointed as nothing has changed.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#78
post #68

I think YouTube is like Reddit: it is what you make of it. If you only ever look at the front page of Reddit, you're going to be fed memes and outrage. If you go and subscribe to a few small, focused subreddits, you're going to see things that are relevant to you. Same with YouTube. If you watch a lot of junk content, that's what it's going to feed you in recommendations. If you focus on some specific segment of cont…

I think the OP's point is that people like Colin Furze used to film themselves and just put out content, but now they court sponsors and have a production team. All of the people you mentioned have a production team, I think.

I've got some channels I watch that don't have production crews (I think) like "Under Dunn" and I enjoy them every bit as much as the big ones you named, if not more... But there's no doubt that even they pay at least some attention to monetization.

I also heavily curate my recommendations. It's kind of painful because there's so much crap, but I do still find channels that I enjoy once in a while. They generally aren't new channels, though, just ones I hadn't found yet.

A few of my channels got really stupid about monetization, though. One of my woodworking channels recently said that he wasn't going to do any more content like his old content because it doesn't attract new viewers. He's very much trying to make that channel be his day job, and it ruined it for me. I almost never watch his new stuff, but I guess others do, so... Oh well.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#79

Maybe in some areas (software) but I'm finding YouTube a goldmine for my current interest - learning to drive in the UK When I was 17 I started learning for about 8 months but then stopped due to various reasons. I'm 35 now and picking it back up again and the most mind blowing aspect of it is how much content there is on YouTube to help learner drivers, compared to back then! There are loads of creators (usually dri…

I agree. The trick is not to search for your ${dayjob} related content. I no longer watch software or hardware, learning K8S or iToys reviews. I mean, how many iPhones, ThinkPads or MacBooks will I buy each year? Instead, I found small family vlogs much better. Also, stuff like repairing old watches, documentaries/vlogs about ships, aeroplanes, or manufacturing goods, offbeat travel or learning a new foreign language vlogs are good.

Re: Ask HN: Has YouTube peaked?

#80

Maybe in some areas (software) but I'm finding YouTube a goldmine for my current interest - learning to drive in the UK When I was 17 I started learning for about 8 months but then stopped due to various reasons. I'm 35 now and picking it back up again and the most mind blowing aspect of it is how much content there is on YouTube to help learner drivers, compared to back then! There are loads of creators (usually dri…

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