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Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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I haven't had the time to read this article carefully (I will do so later), but it's very problematic to "gatekeep" religion or knowledge. If you're learning from eastern masters, if the original intent of the religion was to spread widely to any interested party, if you're being curious and respectful (you can even respectfully criticize, reject, or condemn any culture -- this is what enables rejecting and criticizi…

Read the article. You are fighting a strawman. And it's detrimental for a discussion about this article.

There's no gate keeping there, but an analysis of how Buddhism as a concept evolved in the US and "the west".

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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I always find it weird how western "promoters" of Buddhism are so gung-ho on the meditation part, pretty much disregarding everything else. Having met quite a few Buddhists (also my partner) who were raised by Buddhist parents, I'm yet to find a single one who meditates at all. That's not even that big of a part of "mindfulness". After reading a monk's book (Essential Chan Buddhism by Guo Jun), I have a feeling it's…

It's not just a Western thing. The likes of Goenka have made the case for Vipassana meditation as a universally beneficial secular practice compatible with a variety of religious beliefs and amenable to scientific study in India too. This approach inevitably attracts more attention and new adherents than more longstanding cultural traditions, rules and suttas.

I asked a friendly volunteer outside the Global Vipassana Centre (which emphasises the secular universal nature of its meditation practices, but also contains holy relics of the Buddha) how often he personally meditated. He paused for a moment, looked a bit sheepish and then said "not very often".

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I don't think there's a conspiracy - accesstoinsight.org is actually an old site that is missing many suttas. It even links to a new updated website (e.g. from https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an08/an08.053.th... ) and if you change the URL the sutta you mentioned is actually there: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN8_51.html . But regarding this, and other, anti-women references in the Pali ca…

This issue at hand here is not limited to the question of women in the sangha, but of the Teacher's claims as to the potency and longevity of his Teachings. I'm not sure if pointing out there are contradictions in the suttas helps the case. In any case, whether through having contradictions or through rejection via cherry picking, modern Buddhists are eating the fruits of a poisoned tree.

If modern "Buddhists" are skillful their practice won't be poisoned by a couple of problematic/corrupt passages within the huge Pali cannon..

There's the now-famous Kalama Sutta where the Buddha specifically encourages people to not rely too much on canonical texts: https://suttacentral.net/an3.65/en/sujato

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how to explain it in English. But he didn't say his teachings were to last only 1000 years. Buddha said it is super hard or impossible to achieve Nirvana or became Arahant after 1500-2000 years. But if you never practice, you'll never achieve anything. Even Buddha needs 4 Asaṃkhyeya to become a Buddha. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa%E1%B9%83khyeya

> Buddha said it is super hard or impossible to achieve Nirvana after 1500-2000 years. Well, that I can agree with. Also according to the Buddha, there are signs that an enlightened being can display to prove their enlightenment. A simple one is that fire does not affect them. To prove his enlightenment, "Ānanda performed a supernatural accomplishment by diving into the earth and appearing on his seat at the council…

You seem to be rather a literalist.

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This issue at hand here is not limited to the question of women in the sangha, but of the Teacher's claims as to the potency and longevity of his Teachings. I'm not sure if pointing out there are contradictions in the suttas helps the case. In any case, whether through having contradictions or through rejection via cherry picking, modern Buddhists are eating the fruits of a poisoned tree.

If modern "Buddhists" are skillful their practice won't be poisoned by a couple of problematic/corrupt passages within the huge Pali cannon.. There's the now-famous Kalama Sutta where the Buddha specifically encourages people to not rely too much on canonical texts: https://suttacentral.net/an3.65/en/sujato

Reminds me of chapter one of the Dao te Ching :

>The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real. Naming is the origin of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

#77

I haven't had the time to read this article carefully (I will do so later), but it's very problematic to "gatekeep" religion or knowledge. If you're learning from eastern masters, if the original intent of the religion was to spread widely to any interested party, if you're being curious and respectful (you can even respectfully criticize, reject, or condemn any culture -- this is what enables rejecting and criticizi…

Quite right, and you’ll find that Chen (the author and interviewee) is not really pointing to the aspect of adaptation as being problematic, more so the ends to which Buddhist practice is being repurposed.

A few relevant excerpts:

> The Dalai Lama was instrumental in advancing the secularization of meditation. For him it was in part a political calculation. He wanted to make Buddhism relevant and useful to the West.

> I think all the teachers had some qualms about being forced to leave the ethical aspects of Buddhism out of the workplace. They were not being hired to make the employees more ethical; they were being hired to make them more productive.

> Interestingly enough, I think that companies have been able to command great self-sacrifice from Americans in a way that no other institution can today. I would argue that companies or workplaces have become the new faith communities that are replacing organized religion.

> But there are downsides to this. We start to organize our selves, communities, and spiritualities around capitalism’s goals of efficiency and productivity, ignoring other possible ethics of justice, kinship, and beauty. Ultimately, companies, which are driven by the bottom line, cannot offer us a “solution” for a flourishing life.

When I think of the startup I left, and which took so much of my life, it’s easy to characterize it as a quasi cult.

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

#78
post #49

I always find it weird how western "promoters" of Buddhism are so gung-ho on the meditation part, pretty much disregarding everything else. Having met quite a few Buddhists (also my partner) who were raised by Buddhist parents, I'm yet to find a single one who meditates at all. That's not even that big of a part of "mindfulness". After reading a monk's book (Essential Chan Buddhism by Guo Jun), I have a feeling it's…

There are many varieties of Buddhism. It is a mixture of eastern culture and knowledge in general, including many generations of empirical psychotherapy, religion, philosophy, etc. Some varieties of Buddhism, like some schools of Zen, do focus heavily (or entirely) on meditation practice. Scientific research suggests that meditation has a real effect on the brain.

To me it seems completely rational and expected that the west would be drawn to the varieties that don't carry as much religious dogma because that is more incompatible with western thought. Of course we can take some aspects from it which we find useful. So I don't find it weird at all.

Despite this, I still absolutely think that 'mindfulness' is often becoming bastardised and a lot of the value is being lost in the process of translation. People will of course try to take advantage of it and try to profit from it.

Your comment also makes me imagine picking a random barely religious American that never goes to church and using them as a model for 'real Christianity'

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

#79
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If modern "Buddhists" are skillful their practice won't be poisoned by a couple of problematic/corrupt passages within the huge Pali cannon.. There's the now-famous Kalama Sutta where the Buddha specifically encourages people to not rely too much on canonical texts: https://suttacentral.net/an3.65/en/sujato

Reminds me of chapter one of the Dao te Ching : >The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal Name. The unnamable is the eternally real. Naming is the origin of all particular things. Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Why use the correct word in the title but the western mispronunciation in the quote.

Dao

Re: Buddhism has found a new institutional home in the West: the corporation

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> LinkedIn CEO Jeff Weiner calls his leadership style “compassionate management,” which he describes as “putting yourself in another person’s shoes and seeing the world through their lens or perspective,” and claims it is inspired by teachings of the Dalai Lama. It’s good corporate marketing but only skin thin: He’d still fire your ass in a millisecond if he needs to or wants to, regardless of your personal predicame…

Amazing. Weiner discovered the Golden Rule thought it was his own creation, repackaged it in corporatespeak. "Compassionate management" should be the norm, and I'm suspicious of anyone who considers their own brand of management to be special for adhering to such a principle I understand that Weiner has probably dealt with a lot of uncompassionate managers, but that should be treated as the exception to the definitio…

There is a practice called “warm capitalism” or some term like that and the essence is that you not go for the lowest bidder, but for the one having the best values (say most environmentally friendly) which in turn creates interest in being more environmentally friendly. But it could also be other values like social equality and so on.
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