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Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Re: Auto manufacturer family tree: Who owns what?

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Post by sofixa »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #41
gsnedders wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture... places Stellantis with 30% lower production than VW in 2021. But the thing that's super stark is how many marquees Stellantis have; I can't help but think that some consolidation and focusing of resources would be beneficial (and I'm well aware that plenty is shared already).

Stellantis is where all the brands with slipping or already low quality go, so having a lot of different brands at various price points is their thing.

That's unfair. Maybe that was somewhat true to an extent for the American part of FCA, but isn't for PSA and Opel. The latter were in not great shape under GM for decades, but were turned around by PSA in a few years. Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Opel have good reputation.

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Post by sxcurry »

sgt wrote: post #60

Even though Volkswagen (VW) owns cars like Porsche and others, it should be mentioned that Porsche SE controls and owns majority in VW.

Also, to be more precise than the original article, Volkswagen AG is the parent company, which owns a number of brands, including Volkswagen and Audi.

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Post by sircastor »

belval wrote: post #16

I always wanted something like this but for all companies. I feel like it would be a great tool to help people understand how giant conglomerates are actually a big part of what we consume. My favorite are outdoor clothing companies which almost all tie-in to the same Chinese investment fund. Or how glasses companies all belong to that one French conglomerate.

I was recently looking at Tool brands and came across a similar article explaining how all the popular tool brands you know are owned by a handful of corporations.

https://toolguyd.com/tool-brands-corporate-affiliations/

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Post by adolph »

While "ownership" is often interpreted in terms of value-flows and control, the model of Ikea's corporate structure indicates that actually modeling value-flows and control would be more helpful than using "ownership" as a proxy.

IKEA’s organizational structure might sound a bit confusing at first, but I looked into it to see how its business model works so that you could gain clarity on that.

Put it shortly, IKEA as a brand comprises two separate owners. INGKA Holding B.V. owns the IKEA Group, the holding the group.

At the same time that is held by the Stichting INGKA Foundation, which is the owner of the whole Group. IKEA Group is not the owner of the brand, which is managed by Inter IKEA Systems B.V., part of Inter IKEA B.V. that is the real owner of the IKEA Concept.

Thus, IKEA Group is a franchisee that pays 3% of royalties to Inter IKEA Systems.

https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-ikea/

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Post by sircastor »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #56
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #19

Tesla is mistakenly listed as having been founded by Elon Musk. (See e.g. Wikipedia for accurate information.)

He's LEGALLY a founder (as per the lawsuit)... but I get your meaning.

This is absurd, and as bad as him being listed as the "Chief Engineer" at SpaceX

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Post by willhinsa »

Retric wrote: post #62
NickRandom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here ya go (I knew I had seen it somewhere so I'm glad I managed to find it again). Here are some links to assorted sources about brands etc. It makes for fascinating reading imo "These 10 Companies Own Almost All of the Brands You Use" https://thehomestead.guru/10-companies-own-brands/ https://gizmodo.com/fascinating-graphic-shows-who-owns-all-t... https://www.dividend.com/how-to-invest/9-companies-that-own-... http…

That first list is interesting because I recognize most of them as terrible products. My mental model of brands was as a quality stamp, as in people would recognize a product from advertising but if they disliked the product then it wouldn’t help. But, I think there is a second effect in play. If you start with something of high quality that people consume regularly you can very slowly lower the quality without peopl…

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Post by sircastor »

netfl0 wrote: post #6

I did not know TATA owns Land Rover and Jaguar!

I worked for Jaguar Land Rover for 7 years. It almost never came up. I would say that most of the company operates independently. Occasionally we would engage with Tata's other arms (I recall early on doing work with TCS - Tata Consulting Services to do some software development.)

Sometimes as I'm out and about I'll see old Ford-era Jaguars and I'm pleased that the company has independence to make its own vehicles.

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Post by helij »

ZWoz wrote: post #75
smohnot wrote: post #14

Written from a Australian perspective & is missing some US marques, like that Honda owns Acura and Ford owns Lincoln

I found Škoda description lacking. Being one of few historic Czech car manufacturers is mention worthy.

Also, one of the oldest car manufacturers in the world.

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Post by sseagull »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #53
Green_man wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know anta sports (Chinese) owns Arc'teryx and Salomon (and other brands as well), which are both big deals in very niche parts of outdoors companies (mountaineering/climbing and trail running/skiing respectively) but I don't think there's any single Chinese company that owns all the outdoor brands, unless anta is owned by some other company. Luxottica, the eyeglass company gp referred to is also Italian, not French…

Luxottica merged with Essilor in 2018. It's now a French-Italian company. They own: Ray-Ban, Oakley, Michael Kors, Varilux, Crizal, Transitions, LensCrafters, Clearly, EyeBuyDirect, FramesDirect.com, OPSM, Pearle Vision, Sears Optical, Sunglass Hut, Target Optical, Vision Direct, Vision Source, et al. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EssilorLuxottica

The more interesting/disgusting part is that they own EyeMed, so for many people they also get your insurance premium, and then also what you pay for glasses or whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica#Medical_managed_care

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