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Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Re: Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Post by baisq »

digitalsushi wrote: post #63
baisq wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, let's see that superiority when the US supremacy breaks down. Because the only way that the Western culture has prevailed this century is through bloodshed.

There must be some western culture that has been successful because it is what humans naturally gravitate towards.

This is a very narrow view of the issue. There have been lots of different successful cultures throughout history and they were different in significant ways. Western culture is the one that you are currently living through. The rest of cultures of the past probably also thought they were the best and would last forever.

Re: Amazon bows to UAE pressure to restrict LGBT search results

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #54

Do people agree that corporations should respect the customs and values of the local people when operating their business there? If yes, then Amazon is not "bowing", and it is The Guardian who is playing word games here. If not, then it would seem to imply that we are OK with western powers using their capital (instead of gunboats) to impose their ideology on other cultures in the world. Now, one may argue that the c…

> remember not to blame them for "banning western companies" in the future

American companies are banned from paying foreign bribes. They’re not given a free pass with suporting genocide or terrorism, regardless of where it happens, even if that’s the law or custom somewhere else.

If we place domestic profits over sex trafficking or death penalties for gay people, so long as it’s there not here, then fine, let’s live with that sociopathy. It’s an abysmal moral space to occupy, but I also can’t argue with putting food on one’s table.

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Post by troon-lover »

schuyler2d wrote: post #57
ominous wrote: post #6

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> Is there any argument here in Amazon’s defense? Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to?

> Can you phrase the attack you imagine they need defense from in a way that doesn't assume your worldview is the universal position (or that tries to achieve a universal position) everyone must adhere to? Why not apply your same maxim to the UAE and see where you get? Why do gay people in the UAE have to submit to what the UAE requires to be universal?

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Post by imachine1980_ »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #54

Do people agree that corporations should respect the customs and values of the local people when operating their business there? If yes, then Amazon is not "bowing", and it is The Guardian who is playing word games here. If not, then it would seem to imply that we are OK with western powers using their capital (instead of gunboats) to impose their ideology on other cultures in the world. Now, one may argue that the c…

I think the take here is different, accept other culture is different to discriminate against some person, i'm again anti Islamic comments, also i'm not in favor of discrimination of LGBT+ people, jews,black, rusian etc. the question is here is we are in favor of corporation who value more market penetration than ethics standards, i'm against the neoliberal idea that corporation aren't ideological organization, i feel this premise in itself is ideological,and is use to push out criticism of their actions.

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Post by boopmaster »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #54

Do people agree that corporations should respect the customs and values of the local people when operating their business there? If yes, then Amazon is not "bowing", and it is The Guardian who is playing word games here. If not, then it would seem to imply that we are OK with western powers using their capital (instead of gunboats) to impose their ideology on other cultures in the world. Now, one may argue that the c…

Let me google that for you. Wait, some search results were removed due to DMCA claims. All the stones I had to throw at this are apparently censored here in the good ole USA.

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Post by troon-lover »

ausbah wrote: post #65
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #9

As does every other corporation that puts up a rainbow lag the second its pride month. Blackrock, McDonnel Douglas and Exxon are really trying to be on the right side of history here, folks! Ask Disney if they show the same movies in China. Its all just kowtowing to the power of the Global American Empire legislated by misguided civil rights legislation, enforced by the politcommissars in HR. Every culture has a righ…

>Its all just kowtowing to the power of the Global American Empire legislated by misguided civil rights legislation I would to know more as to why you this civil rights legislation, or presumably court rulings as well, are "misguided" >Every culture has a right to protect its values. Cultures that discriminate against people for innate characteristics like sex, sexual orientation, race, etc. are backwards. Label me b…

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Post by hef19898 »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #54

Do people agree that corporations should respect the customs and values of the local people when operating their business there? If yes, then Amazon is not "bowing", and it is The Guardian who is playing word games here. If not, then it would seem to imply that we are OK with western powers using their capital (instead of gunboats) to impose their ideology on other cultures in the world. Now, one may argue that the c…

Personally, I think corporations have to respect the laws in all the markets they are operating in, no exceptions. If those laws are contradictory, well international corps are pretty good in using any loop holes, so they gonna figure it out. And if laws in some markets contradict basic values of a company, well, you can always not operate in said market. I'd love if companies would do that. That companies don't is a major way non-sanctioned totalitarian regimes can circumvent western democratic values.

In a way the world was easier during the cold war, good and bad was clearly distinguished, human rights didn't matter in the public opinion as log it was "our" guys doing the violations and things like LGBTQ, minority and women rights were a mere fringe phenomenon in West anyway. I like today's environment better.

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Post by AlexandrB »

yakubin wrote: post #67
PradeetPatel wrote: post #17

Speaking as someone who worked in the reputation management sector, this kind of behaviour has been around since the early 20th century. I think people often mistaken "region based marketing" for genuine political statements. If promoting pride yields a net positive increase in reputation and revenue in Western countries, one would be foolish not to jump on that bandwagon.

Yeah, this is the reason why I stopped attending pride parades. When you're there, it looks like a big PR platform for a bunch of banks, Google, Apple and whatever. Those same companies don't advocate for the right of this community in places where it matters most, since it won't give them money, but it will mean risk. I think it would be fine, if they weren't part of the parades, but the hypocrisy is where it crosse…

> Those same companies don't advocate for the right of this community in places where it matters most, since it won't give them money, but it will mean risk.

It's worse than that. Many of these companies donate to political parties actively undermining those rights.

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