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Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty long scroll box to find the person in the first place. Or an added step as you key in the first few letters of the person's name. At large retailers or QSR chains that put a premium on fast checkout, neither option will fly. I obviously appreciate the simplicity of paying with your face.

I doubt any firstname+lastname (or even just firstname+last_initial) situation would require a scroll box... you could fit 20+ recognizable faces on a screen. Sort them by age and in the few cases where there are that many collisions, cashiers would know just where to look. Keying the name is a bigger issue... so I suspect terminals in larger retailers will eventually just detect the N nearest pay-eligible handhelds.

The additional hardware (plus integration cost) is something that reatilers don't want to spend on.

In contrast, barcode scanners are already there and they typically emulate keyboards, so no special integation is required.

I'm not convinced that paying with your name scales for most retailers. The retailers I've talked to aren't convinced, either.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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It's also pretty interesting to see them build a whole new payment system using normal everyday tech like smartphones and tablets (plus of course remote servers). No expensive custom mainframes and ancient software. The trick now will be to get as many businesses to use it (preferably all of them and preferably worldwide). I also think using photos is one of the most surefire ways of identifying the buyer, as well -…

You might also like FaceCash (http://www.facecash.com).

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #3

That is what disruptive innovation looks like. "Oh look, a multi-billion dollar problem people were trying to solve by getting two sides of the market to simultaneously ubiquitously install new hardware. How about we solve it with stuff they already own plus new software instead?"

I respectfully disagree. This is what an investment from Visa looks like with really good design. Not everyone was trying to get both sides to adopt new hardware, either. As long as Square uses cards for funding, it will be robbing the poor to pay the rich just like every other card company. To me, "disruptive" in the payments world means no cards, period.

What is the fundamental problem with cards? What needs to be disrupted? Paying with phones is cute, but it is really just technical masturbation, as there is only a tiny connivence benefit and it is slower than a no sign swipe.

I have been able to pay with my phone for 2 years now, and I hardly ever do it. My MC pay-pass RFID card fits under my cellphone's battery cover.

I am genuinely curious as to the problem that needs to be solved.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Square does not currently require a license, and they have not yet applied for one in California.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting this info? From a cursory look, I was under the impression that they would need a license in every state that they'd do business in.

It's all public information.

Square is exempt from the California Money Transmission Act per FC § 1805(d) (see http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fin&#3...), since it's actually JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. that is moving your money.

Square does not have a license.

http://www.dfi.ca.gov/directory/mt.asp

And Square has no plans to get one as of last month.

http://www.dfi.ca.gov/publications/summaries/2011/september....

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #55
post #28

> Paying for stuff with your phone sounds awesome until you stop to think about it. Uh, it doesn't sound awesome to me at all. It sounds annoying and frustrating. Swiping a credit card is already pretty simple. > then tell the cashier your name Yeah, because that works great. My name is fairly common, and cashiers still manage to get it wrong, especially if it's noisy. Also, what happens when three "John Smiths" walk…

> If a restaurant's going to go to all the trouble to install a system like this and set it up so that my phone can pay them, why couldn't I just order on the phone? Then I wouldn't have to stand in line at all, and they won't have wasted their time if it turns out that I want something else instead of what I usually get. Because a smooth face to face interaction is much more pleasant than ordering via an online appl…

Ordering a saved pizza order that we order frequently at Papa John's is incredibly easy -- certainly way easier than telling the order to someone.

I suppose it's possible that coffee is different in some non-obvious way, but I'm not sure how.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why exactly do you imagine that Square couldn't debit directly from a checking account in the future (as the article mentioned)?

Because they don't have any money transmitter licenses and it will take them a few years to get them.

You're seriously still beating this horse?

Why couldn't they partner with another institution that already has the appropriate licensing? Or, alternatively, they seem well enough funded to be able to post the appropriate bonds.

I get your position, but with the constant whining, you're not winning over people.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't have any money transmitter licenses and it will take them a few years to get them.

You're seriously still beating this horse? Why couldn't they partner with another institution that already has the appropriate licensing? Or, alternatively, they seem well enough funded to be able to post the appropriate bonds. I get your position, but with the constant whining, you're not winning over people.

First, I'm not trying to win you over. I'm trying to get a license, as is my right.

Second, a lot of people consider the particular fight I've chosen to pick fairly important, as it would do a lot to corrode the monopoly that banks hold on payment processing. So one person's whining is apparently another's heroic battle (not my words).

Third, the issue of money transmission licenses is also directly relevant to this particular topic.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #70

This does look interesting, but TBH, I don't think its the end of credit cards per-se. One main reason: What if my phone's battery is dead ? Does that mean I can't buy anything ? What happens in an emergency ? Credit cards are easy as they're quite low tech physically (a magnetic strip, a chip and some plastic). Other things would be stuff like: not everyone has a phone, but would still like a credit card, etc. There…

> What if my phone's battery is dead ?

Go to an ATM.

> There are countries where phone penetration (and not even smart phone) is not very high, but the population still need to have credit cards.

There are also countries where SMS payments are much more popular than credit cards. It's not a one-payment-system world.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #9

So, this is cool, but... Why do you have to have a smartphone to do this? If you're going to get businesses on board and use photo IDs to verify every transaction, why not just have the signup process be a webcam and a form? There's a couple of cool usability things you can do with a smartphone (proximity pushes users that are there to the top of the list in case of name conflicts, whether it's from geofencing, manua…

Because you don't want a bunch of stores to be able to charge to your account when you're not there.

Re: The End of the Credit Card? New Square app: Card Case

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post #70

This does look interesting, but TBH, I don't think its the end of credit cards per-se. One main reason: What if my phone's battery is dead ? Does that mean I can't buy anything ? What happens in an emergency ? Credit cards are easy as they're quite low tech physically (a magnetic strip, a chip and some plastic). Other things would be stuff like: not everyone has a phone, but would still like a credit card, etc. There…

> What if my phone's battery is dead ? Go to an ATM. > There are countries where phone penetration (and not even smart phone) is not very high, but the population still need to have credit cards. There are also countries where SMS payments are much more popular than credit cards. It's not a one-payment-system world.

> Go to an ATM.

Exactly, and you end up using a "card" anyway

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