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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by paulryanrogers »

yodon wrote: post #56
iasay wrote: post #29

This scares me slightly. When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears. Experience says lots of people get hurt. I don't wish that on anyone. Ethical stance must stand alone unconditionally. As for the actual rules, picking one in particular, respecting someone purely for being senior is stupid. Respect is simply earned. I respect more people younger and in more jun…

>When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears. Let's do the math: Christianity has been around for around two orders of magnitude longer than any of the compilers or dev tools you're using on your project. There are probably three orders of magnitude more people who use Christianity than are using any of the languages used in your project. There are probably six or…

By the numbers far more people have suffered under these dithering superstitions, that doesn't make them objectively better.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by kennywinker »

kragen wrote: post #38
no_butterscotch wrote: post #36

The fact that repositories even have "codes of conduct" is Orwellian on one hand and a sign of idiocracy on the other.

Yeah, my commentary on this nonsense is at https://gitlab.com/kragen/bubbleos/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDU... . > Could J. K. Rowling require Harry Potter readers to follow a code of conduct? Could Werner Heisenberg demand that you subscribe to a code of conduct if you want to do quantum physics? ... > Codes of conduct typically make laudable promises such as “We pledge to respect all people,” in an attempt to convince…

> Could J. K. Rowling require Harry Potter readers to follow a code of conduct?

Nobody attempts to apply codes of conduct to users of software - that's the domain of the license agreement. They only apply to communities. Virtually every online community around harry potter has some set of rules for participating in that community. e.g. https://stories.jkrowling.com/terms-of-use/

> Could Werner Heisenberg demand that you subscribe to a code of conduct if you want to do quantum physics?

Heisenberg was the post-ww2 president of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Physics (quickly renamed the Max Planck Institute post war) - which was involved in human "medical" experimentation in nazi concentration camps.

During his governence: "after 1945 neither active participants in the Third Reich nor hangers-on were called to account" - https://www.mpg.de/history/kws-under-national-socialism

So a guy who presided over an organization that didn't bother to clean house after being directly involved in the fucking holocaust isn't exactly my go-to for how to run a healthy community.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ev1 »

jhgb wrote: post #69
jimbob45 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing. I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

> makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?

Don't forget 'was created for the purpose of filling in a box on "supplier registration" forms [.....] This document continues to be used for its original purpose - providing a reference to fill in the "code of conduct" box on supplier registration forms.'

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ThalesX »

ticviking wrote: post #8
ThalesX wrote: post #3

Hmm, is this some sort of Meta I’m missing? It feels strange to mix so many cultural ‘suggestions’ with a database product. > Listen willingly to holy reading. > Devote yourself frequently to prayer. > Daily in your prayers, with tears and sighs, confess your past sins to God, and amend them for the future. Anyway, sqlite is a good product and I don’t even mind all that much to have a code of Ethics associated to it,…

The point is that the other codes of conduct often embed other particular cultural suggestions and assumptions, but since they are those of your own you don't notice them as jarringly as those of medieval Christendom.

> but since they are those of your own you don't notice them as jarringly

Why would you assume this about me and not take at face value that I really believe you don't find these often in the wild. It's just my personal experience that I haven't seen these out in the wild all that much (I can't think of an example), and it was surprising to me.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by petilon »

nodesocket wrote: post #68
petilon wrote: post #17

So... what is SQLite's stance on abortion? [Edit] Found it: it's supported: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3912417/is-there-a-way-t...

His stance is his own and frankly private. If he chooses to open up about it publicly fine, but sitting on a soap box online demanding political and private questions wreaks of moral and intellectual false superiority.

But it is in line with the 72 rules listed. If you're a developer who wants to contribute to SQLite, you might want to know beforehand if you will be expected to sign on to a 73rd rule.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by kennywinker »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #50
kennywinker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

42. Attribute to God, and not to self, whatever good you see in yourself. 59. Fulfill not the desires of the flesh; hate your own will. 60. Obey in all things the commands of those whom God has placed in authority over you even though they (which God forbid) should act otherwise, mindful of the Lord's precept, "Do what they say, but not what they do." I'm not seeing a lot of room for free will in this document.

Human freedom is the freedom to do good, not license to do whatever you want to do or can do.

Freedom to do good? That's already been covered: 42. Attribute to God, and not to self, whatever good you see in yourself.

That's not your freedom or your will, that's god's doing. Or so this document says. So by your definition, there is no free will in this document.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by Epa095 »

jhgb wrote: post #69
jimbob45 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing. I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

> makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing ...how could one possibly get this impression, when it literally says "No one is required to follow The Rule"?

This part:

>The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability. [...] In other words, the developers are saying: "We will treat you this way regardless of how you treat us."

I would definitely not be able to honestly commit to such a pledge. Do you think they will add a "(except epa095)" if I get hired? Or maybe I just won't get hired. IDK, but just like OP I read it as a requirement for contributing.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by Lio »

sorokod wrote: post #62
Lio wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not. That would be strictly something for the Ita to deal with. :D

Oh I don't know, they could build computers using mechanical contraptions. You can do a lot in a thousand years if you put your mind to it.

I don't know that sounds like mechanical praxis to me. If it wasn't grandfathered in then it was probably banned in a Convox.
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