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Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

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Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, I know. That's the word I used, and it was marked as spelled incorrectly by someone who replied to my original comment. I was wondering why?

I apologize, my first glance indicated that it was a misspelling. I still find it condescending to imply that targeted posting is indicative of a mental disorder.

It was meant to be condescending :) And I hope it was also a little tongue in cheek!

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#72

Don't like Lists? Don't use them. I have almost a dozen lists on Facebook and I use them extensively (as if they're Circles basically). The only annoying thing is that Facebook decides to change my default publication privacy every time I publish to a specific list. I don't understand, are the features themselves bad? Who's forcing you to use Twitter lists, or Facebook lists, or even Circles?

Yah, I agree, I don't think these features are at all bad. People just don't use them because they're lazy.

The hard problem is to figure out how to machine categorize this stuff, for sure. But I don't think it's shit work on your users to give them the categorize features. This stuff takes a lot of machine learning and a big system graph that hints at how this stuff should be applied. I think calling it shit work is over simplifying..

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#73
post #8

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the point he is making is that users shouldnt have to do this work. The circle feature implies that they will automatically will take care of it when in fact it doesnt. It's a lot of manual labor as he elaborates.

So, it's not magic because it can't read my mind, thus it's a bad feature because it takes work to fully, fully utilize? I guess I'm still missing the point. It'd be nice if Google knew my relationship with these people or somehow knew my best friends from my colleagues or tech interests, but that's asking a bit much.

It's not a bad feature, it's just not as good of a feature as it can be to accomplish that task

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#75
post #28

But, but... I like putting my friends into Venn diagrams. Seriously. The 1 click it takes to put someone is a circle isn't really "work", and if it saves me awkward calls from my mom because she read a post intended for my drinking buddies, then it was well worth it.

I think you're missing the point. You now need to maintain that circle and groupings over the next years you use Google+.

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#76
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the author's point was precisely that being neurotic - and by extension, highly organized - itn't in of itself completing any work. Up to a point it's efficient, but then it becomes very unefficient. It's like someone continually micromanaging folders on the desk instead of actually completing the paperwork.

I don't understand the point of your comment. What are you clarifying or trying to refute? What is your opinion on the matter? The author never even uses the word neurotic. That was my word. His point is that people who like to dilly dally with trivial organization are wasting time; not being productive. I certainly agree with him. My point was that if there's someone who enjoys that kind of thing, well more power to…

I know it was your word, not the author's; I was agreeing that being that tidy is not productive and offering a comment on the point.

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#78

Griping about an optional feature? Really? Circles have great utility for me for two reasons. 1. Like Twitter lists (which I use, thanks Tweetdeck), I want to see information from certain groups of people for different things. 2. I want to disseminate different types of information to different groups of people. If you don't find either of these use-cases compelling, there is nothing stopping you from ignoring them c…

Optional? I don't think so. Google Circle _is_ the main feature. That's everything Google+ is about.

Ummm. No.

I use Google+ heavily and I've put everyone in the same circle.

It's a great marketing feature though!

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#79
Circles is a great marketing feature.

By pushing the privacy aspect of Google+ it allowed Google to differentiate themselves compared to Facebook. That message has persisted.

Users say they care heavily about privacy, but in practice they don't[1]. Circles isn't a bad solution to that, except for the small minority of people who feel the pressure try to build themselves a compete categorisation of everyone they know.

[1] Occasionally people do care - picture sharing is one case where people are somewhat careful. Circles caters to that case quite well.

Re: Don't Give Your Users Shit Work

#80

It's funny because I was sort of nodding along through the beginning. I am one of the very people he mentioned with a bunch of stillborn Twitter lists. But then he went on to reference a Merlin Mann article: > His main point is that adding an assortment of labels, tags, and priorities to your email inbox only serves to give you the illusion of getting work done. Which I understand, because Mann has a tendency to get…

I disagree with one point. Priority Inbox tells me which email subjects to skim and which to open every time. For the few important emails that make it into the non-important bucket, skimming the subjects always brings them out. However, EVERY email in my important inbox is important (I haven't had to mark one as unimportant for months). When I sit down to go through email (2-3 times a day) I read everything in the priority inbox because I trust that.
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