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Not so patiently waiting on the LPL video.
Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design. Apparently it's common depending on the country you live. Some countries have a first-to-file versus a first-to-invent patent system. And so you end up with people (often inventors or retired lawyers) who spend their days filing patents for other people's inventions. The idea being that they only need one or two of the pat…
Even in the US, which is first to file, your patent can be invalidated by published prior art that makes it obvious. The stuff made here video is a textbook example of an invalidating piece of prior art.
and it will only cost you >$100K to invalidate
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#73Not the LockPickingLawyer (I hope he gets his hands on one soon) but here's a video review/demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNHFyc1oMwU
+1. LPL has disproven the claims of many "unpickable" locks.
If computer security has taught me anything, unhackable/impenetrable claims, cyber or physical, should be met with skepticism.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#74Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.
I didn't know you were here on HN, though it makes absolute sense you would be.
Amazing content, your shows are some of the best YT has to offer.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even in the US, which is first to file, your patent can be invalidated by published prior art that makes it obvious. The stuff made here video is a textbook example of an invalidating piece of prior art.
It might invalidate aspects of the patent, but the two are different enough that certain aspects of this one are still patentable. Bottom line, you don't always patent the whole device, sometimes just the small unique implementation details are valuable enough.
I assume they are going for a design patent, which they may well get (and doesn't protect against much other than direct copies). A method patent or a utility patent is a lot harder in light of the prior art.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even in the US, which is first to file, your patent can be invalidated by published prior art that makes it obvious. The stuff made here video is a textbook example of an invalidating piece of prior art.
and it will only cost you >$100K to invalidate
It feels like you never looked at https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2215.html and it might be worth giving that a quick read before pulling a number out of thin air.
Yes, it costs money to get a patent invalidated based on prior art. But: an amount that even a single person who stands to actually gain from having a patent overturned should have no problem with. You're asking the USPO to spend time redoing work, literally halting any other patent work they could be doing instead. So it's not a trivial amount, but it's also hardly a prohibitive amount if you actually want a specific patent revoked.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#77wonder if you could pick it just enough to allow the first rotation, to the point the slider binds the pins and then just start rapping on it until they lock into place?
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's actually sold by Sparrows https://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/DISCT.htm
Ah! Thanks! Gotta love the description: The Community Disc pick Blah blah blah blah Lock picking lawyer blah blah blah Bosnian Bill blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Over a year blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Pandemic blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah so many emails blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Isolation blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah back on…
What is that referencing?
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#79wonder if you could pick it just enough to allow the first rotation, to the point the slider binds the pins and then just start rapping on it until they lock into place?
or instead of rapping, just a buzzer or something to vibrate the pins while holding them very lightly bound. Just because you can't pick at the pins doesn't mean you can't move them.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#80Not the LockPickingLawyer (I hope he gets his hands on one soon) but here's a video review/demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNHFyc1oMwU
+1. LPL has disproven the claims of many "unpickable" locks. If computer security has taught me anything, unhackable/impenetrable claims, cyber or physical, should be met with skepticism.
I have always said "if someone made it, someone can break it"
Nothing is unhackable/impenetrable. period.