Interactive PFAS contamination map: https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/pfas_contamination/map/
3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe
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#72Nothing will change until there are prison sentences, and the very deliberate system of shielding managers and corporations from responsibility is changed. It was known for decades that Asbestos and cigarettes causes lung cancer, that adding lead to gasoline is a terrible idea, that burning oil warms the atmosphere. The truth was suppressed through intimidation, lawsuits and bribes. Regulatory agencies are corrupted…
What they really need is a system that puts the fear of God into them. Simply prohibiting chemicals after we've found them to be dangerous is unhelpful, and regulating them before we've found them dangerous is impossible. Why not have a serious system based on punishment instead, after the fact? For example- "If a company is found to be responsible for a material environmental disaster, whoever was employed by that c…
>The statute of limitations shall equal the duration of life of the concerned natural persons or the victims, whichever is longer."
A strong incentive to finish off the victims
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#73If there's ever been a case for building a parallel agency, it's environmental investigations.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just wait until you see how maggots are used in modern medicine. [1] Not all old ideas are bad. [1] https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/medical-maggots/
An old saying is an "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". When the cure prevents any analysis of applying prevention (even discussing it) then the cure is part of the problem.
In what way does either of these cures prevent any analysis?
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#75*Stands on soapbox* I've been kicking around an idea I've been tentatively calling "techno-conservatism". The tl;dr: "Like Amish, not Luddites." It's becoming more and more clear that each of our technologies has trade-offs, and the uncritical acceptance of those trade-offs has lead us to poison ourselves and the world in several fairly significant ways. This would seem to me to make a more considered and conservativ…
I like that idea. But because of the way these chemicals get everywhere, we need pretty much everyone on board. That won’t change unless we change incentives and negative externalities are felt by the actors that decide to use the chemicals. How do we do that? Same question for nuclear war, fossil fuels, and any other tragedy of the commons type situation.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
When my mother moved in and we went on daily walks, she lost a pound a week for a year. Her entirely sedentary lifestyle (and that of most Americans I know) is a major factor for her obesity. Standing is now considered exercise it has gotten so bad. But people will blame anything instead of taking action, so…
I'm pretty sure daily walks (no heart rate elevation, not HIIT, no muscle being built, etc.) didn't contribute significantly to your mother's weight loss. Moving around is not a significant contributor to weight loss[1]. Diet is the most significant contributing factor to gaining or losing weight. Moving in with someone new, new environment, new dietary changes, etc. might've done significantly more. 1. https://www.n…
Weight loss is simply calories in - calories out. If she walked an hour a day and ate the same amount, she was burning around ~300 extra calories a day.
Pretty sure her daily walks did contribute significantly to her weight loss.
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#77*Stands on soapbox* I've been kicking around an idea I've been tentatively calling "techno-conservatism". The tl;dr: "Like Amish, not Luddites." It's becoming more and more clear that each of our technologies has trade-offs, and the uncritical acceptance of those trade-offs has lead us to poison ourselves and the world in several fairly significant ways. This would seem to me to make a more considered and conservativ…
As long as tech owners openly state that humanity should be reduced in quantity, it is pretty clear that they don't care, at best, if not contrary (create harmful tech on purpose).
Well, to hell with the tech owners then, eh? If they are committed to being "Dr. Evil" villains then I don't see why the rest of us should take them seriously?
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Are you recommending bloodletting as a cure for some of the nastiest pollution ever created by humans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting
Bloodletting as a psuedoscience is bad. Therapeutic phlebotomy is a modern medical procedure.
Agreed. My doctor actually had me do this last year due to high ferritin/iron levels. I did a double red blood cell procedure and the fatigue issues I had went away.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
What they really need is a system that puts the fear of God into them. Simply prohibiting chemicals after we've found them to be dangerous is unhelpful, and regulating them before we've found them dangerous is impossible. Why not have a serious system based on punishment instead, after the fact? For example- "If a company is found to be responsible for a material environmental disaster, whoever was employed by that c…
>The statute of limitations shall equal the duration of life of the concerned natural persons or the victims, whichever is longer." A strong incentive to finish off the victims
Probably it's superfluous; you can still be sentenced as long as you're alive. What I meant was just something to the effect off, if the plaintiff dies, financial damages can be recovered from their inheritances on a pro-rata basis, as long as at least one victim is alive.
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Fair criticism. It was VW's "off-the-chart" emissions that led investigators and regulators to review the claims of all other manufacturers. [0] So it is natural that the media focus on that manufacturer. [0] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/meet-the-engineer-who-exp...
If you think that US and EU investigators / regulators didn't know that every manufacturer was cheating on their emissions figures, I have a bridge in London to sell you. Do you think EU politicians didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave responsibility for reporting emissions figures to automakers and then blindly trusted them? It's been an open secret for decades among 'chip' tuners that manufacture…
> Do you think EU politicians didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave responsibility for reporting emissions figures to automakers and then blindly trusted them
Most medical devices will carry out private bio-safety tests. Most electronics will perform private EMC tests. I agree it's crap but automotive is not some special case or part of a conspiracy.
A lot of regulated industries self-regulate. The regulatory bodies trust the results documented by manufacturers because they realistically have no money/time/expertise to do it themselves.
Post diesel gate "The new rules, finalized in 2018, give the Commission the right to carry out compliance checks on vehicles, order bloc-wide model recalls and slap fines of €30,000 per car on cheating producers. The EU's science wing, the Joint Research Centre, has spent €7 million on two new testing facilities that will perform snap checks, a Commission official said.". [0]
[0] https://www.politico.eu/article/new-eu-car-rules-aim-to-stop...