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Post by fritigern » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 8:41 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #50

fritigern wrote: post #38

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> Is Dubai a place with good protection against government pressure? Depends on the government :) The German government has been throwing a temper tantrum and threatening to bad Telegram because Telegram doesn't respond to data requests from German police and spies.

>The German government has been throwing a temper tantrum that 'temper tantrum' is colloquially known as the rule of law, and Telegram has cooperated with the government concerning terrorism and child abuse as they should, or alternatively leave if they consider those rules unacceptable. https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2022/06/telegram-has...

Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 8:43 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #58

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

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> Say what you want about their security; they have the absolute best UX of any (primarily 1-on-1) messaging app, bar none. That is precisely because they don't give a shit about security. While others like Whatsapp bother with e2ee and resulting device sync problems and inability to do server-side search, Telegram just stores everything on a server without (meaningful) encryption and boldly claims that 'it is the mo…

Pretty much none of the features mentioned here have anything to do with E2EE security. How did you even try to get to such conclusion (besides really really trying to use it as a segway into your encryption rant)?!

Post by fritigern » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 8:45 PM UTC

rg111 wrote: post #70

Many people are asking what are in Telegram that aren’t anywhere else? I can provide some answers. Telegram is my primary chat app. - It offers you to simply share an alphanumeric handle and you can connect with anyone in the world. I can do a voice chat or normal chat really quickly and easily. It is the only famous truly Instant Messenger there is. And I can do it without sharing my name (unlike FB), email address,…

Post by fritigern » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 8:47 PM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #72

DocTomoe wrote: post #60

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I wonder if you would also claim "rule of law" when let's say North Korea tries banning the German news infrastructure world-wide, or Iran bans depiction of unveiled women on the internet, or China starts going against Wikipedia with an enforceable worldwide ban because Tiannamen never happened. It is the nature of an international network that you cannot reasonably expect your government's laws to have any say on a…

well I don't think that and nobody demanded that. Telegram merely has to comply regionally concerning in this case German users or content shown to them. Tech companies differentiating their products to comply with local laws is common practice.

Post by Judgmentality » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 8:48 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #73

izacus wrote: post #58

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Pretty much none of the features mentioned here have anything to do with E2EE security. How did you even try to get to such conclusion (besides really really trying to use it as a segway into your encryption rant)?!

I'm actually very opposing this e2ee everywhere crowd, because we're developing an XMPP app and we're annoyed to death by people who demanding us (ordering even!) to deliver them encryption above anything else and always asking this as a first question. The comment was more related to a puzzling observation that a really serious promise of security makes people more happy than actual security. Why bother with providi…