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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by yks »

bgorman wrote: post #41
yks wrote: post #29

The West could've ended this war by now if they just went all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment into Ukraine but they keep slow dripping it, or just doing nothing like Germany. The most powerful societies in the world history just twiddle their thumbs while negative consequences keep mounting.

The Biden administration's goal isn't to stop the war, it is to reset geopolitics by creating regime change in Russia. For this to happen the Ukraine conflict needs to be drawn out as long as possible, perhaps even with an insurgency in southern/eastern Ukraine.

Even if true, it's just not smart cause the Biden administration will be voted out due to consequences of the drawn out conflict.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by Jcowell »

varjag wrote: post #50
gretch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and Russia could have ended the war by now too by simply launching their nukes. I think it's weird you don't think anyone involved in the problem has thought of your proposed solution, or that you don't think there's any potential negative effects from antagonizing an unhinged despot with his finger on the nuke.

Ah the classic "don't rattle Putin or nuclear war" defense.

Well yes? Is there any indication, given Putin’s back to a wall that he would not order nukes as a final fuck you ?

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

sha256sum wrote: post #60
colordrops wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is interested in a protracted war in Ukraine to both make money for weapons and other supplies manufacturers, and to drain the Russian economy. The Ukraine war was precipitated by years of US machinations, despite media characterizations to the contrary.

It's important to note the money drip from Afghanistan has been cut off, with manufacturers looking for more ways to drain tax money away from domestic projects and into the war machine, a status quo since at least Vietnam.

It is literally the exact opposite. Escalating the war in Ukraine by going "all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment" is exactly what the defense companies want.

It's genuinely amazing to see the mental gymnastics here to come to the conclusion that buying fewer weapons is exactly what the defense contractors are lobbying for.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cpursley wrote: post #51
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I, as an European, hate EU government for taking a self destructive way of introducing various sanctions that affect lives of the EU citizens in a very negative ways, without doing anything to help their proclaimed goals. At this point I am not sure if they are stupid, evil, corrupt or they just despise and hate their citizens. Or maybe all of that. You Americans are least have a pragmatic government that at leas…

You're getting downvoted by Americans with big fat paychecks in the Bay Area and other coastal cities on the energy self-sufficient North American content. Like it or not, Europe runs on Russian gas/oil/grain for the time being. The current crop of EU officials are probably not evil, but they are incredibly incompetent. By any object measure, the sanctions have filled the Russian Government's coffers and made Europe…

> any object measure, the sanctions have filled the Russian Government's coffers and made Europe much poorer

With you until this point. Higher energy prices have in no way made up for the loss of Russia's reserves.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by jerf »

coryrc wrote: post #52
nathanaldensr wrote: post #2

So "quiet" that Bloomberg's reporting on it? If you're a farmer, you're going to buy fertilizer from wherever and whomever unless prevented legally from doing so--and I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, appreciate it.

I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, am fine with reduced yields and higher meat prices, to put more pressure on Russia. I also wish we'd send in the big guns to put a lot more pressure in focused places.

"Reduced yields" and "higher meat prices" is a benign way of saying "people may starve to death".

What may be an inconvenience to you, a probably-rich person on the global scale, who can afford to outbid poor people when food gets short, is not necessarily just an inconvenience for others.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by colinmhayes »

tenpies wrote: post #42
nathanaldensr wrote: post #2

So "quiet" that Bloomberg's reporting on it? If you're a farmer, you're going to buy fertilizer from wherever and whomever unless prevented legally from doing so--and I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, appreciate it.

You have to understand the utter diplomatic and geopolitical incompetence of the current US adminsitration. You're talking about the same administration that literally admitted in the open to be executing cyber attacks on Russia[1]. The fact that they haven't made most of North America glow in the dark is an utter miracle. And to make my point clear, the issue isn't that they're conducting cyber attacks - that's a gi…

The cold war is over. There's no need to hide that which everyone knows and accepts.

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Post by mc32 »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #2

So "quiet" that Bloomberg's reporting on it? If you're a farmer, you're going to buy fertilizer from wherever and whomever unless prevented legally from doing so--and I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, appreciate it.

I don't know what it is, but it seems something is not right.

On the one hand the US is asking the EU and allies to stop buying oil and whatever from Russia. A few large retailers pulled out of the Russian market due to perceived pressure to do so. We tell India (traditional non-aligned country) not to buy from Russia, we chastised Brazil for buying fertilizer from Russia (despite our objections), we tighten our own embargoes and then we're like, ahhhhh, nevermind..... WE'RE going to buy from Russia.

Is it lack of coordination, foresight, credibility, it's something.

I am now going to imagine the hysterics Pelosi and Schumer would have if Biden suddenly and for no reason declared himself an "R". At this point maybe he should to save the Dem party.

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Post by InefficientRed »

tenpies wrote: post #42
nathanaldensr wrote: post #2

So "quiet" that Bloomberg's reporting on it? If you're a farmer, you're going to buy fertilizer from wherever and whomever unless prevented legally from doing so--and I, as a citizen of the US dependent on others growing this food on behalf of me, appreciate it.

You have to understand the utter diplomatic and geopolitical incompetence of the current US adminsitration. You're talking about the same administration that literally admitted in the open to be executing cyber attacks on Russia[1]. The fact that they haven't made most of North America glow in the dark is an utter miracle. And to make my point clear, the issue isn't that they're conducting cyber attacks - that's a gi…

You think that Russia would "make North America glow in the dark" because the US disclosed cyberattacks that were obviously attributable to the US? Like, literally, bringing on nuclear Armageddon over some computer hacking and internet trolling? Actually not even computer hacking and internet trolling, just public acknowledgment about coputer hacking and internet trolling?

I judge middle school debate and this still has to be the most wildly insane geopolitical take I've heard in a long time.

You must be hot boxing some strong stuff... might be time to roll down the windows of that information bubble and get some fresh air ;)

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Post by yks »

nemo44x wrote: post #67
yks wrote: post #29

The West could've ended this war by now if they just went all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment into Ukraine but they keep slow dripping it, or just doing nothing like Germany. The most powerful societies in the world history just twiddle their thumbs while negative consequences keep mounting.

You're literally asking for more death and destruction. Just think of what you're saying. Russia wins this war no matter what and the pointless cheerleading from the media and some politicians has been nothing but disposing of Ukrainian lives for the sole purpose of getting some type of bizarre revenge on Russia who they believe got Trump elected, or something. Sending more and more weapons only prolongs it and adds…

> Russia wins this war no matter what

As they say, citation needed.

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

yks wrote: post #64
gretch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and Russia could have ended the war by now too by simply launching their nukes. I think it's weird you don't think anyone involved in the problem has thought of your proposed solution, or that you don't think there's any potential negative effects from antagonizing an unhinged despot with his finger on the nuke.

He's not unhinged, he's essentially a boss of a drug cartel, flaunting his strength and cruelty but respecting the power of others. There is no real value for him to launch nukes unless he thinks the West is absolutely weak and I'm afraid that conviction is actually growing.

This is exactly what everyone said about Putin invading Ukraine.

Putin invading Ukraine was impossible because he's not unhinged and it would be an insanely stupid thing to do. He's just gathering his armies next to the border because he's flaunting his strength.

>I'm afraid that conviction is actually growing

Based off your in-depth research of casually browsing NY Times headlines?

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