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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by kaba0 »

CodeMage wrote: post #63
stefankorun wrote: post #45

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Okay, so how would you consider the alternative when someone is expressing their opinion on other topics like: “Do you really like dating people of the same sex? Sorry that’s the kind of thing I associate with someone who does not have any mental issues as yourself”. I am not advocating if any of them are good or bad (personally I avoid both), but we should really have the same standards when it comes to the famed “f…

False equivalence. Religion is a personal choice. Sexual orientation isn't.

Religion has been a protected class for the longest time.

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

>If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as smart as yourself.”

If you start talking about religion at a corporate gathering then you may be infringing on the rights of the people you are talking to. If you chose to engage them, and they respond with their own beliefs on religion, then you don't really have a leg to stand on, do you?

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by makerofthings »

Religion isn't like race or disability, you can change it if you want to. It's a set of ideas and ideas can be challenged. I think it would be pretty rude to start criticizing someone's religion unprompted, but if they start the conversation then it's fair game. Religion really should have no special legal protection.

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Post by jjeaff »

klodolph wrote: post #68
jjeaff wrote: post #50

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It's likely that a minority of Christians take everything in the Bible literally and believe that it trumps science. I think you are being a bit disengenuous.

I don’t think you have justification for calling the argument “disingenuous”. Seems like accusations of people being disingenuous is the go-to accusation on HN and I’m tired of it.

Well, if it's not disingenuous, then the commenter is very much out of touch with reality. Pick your poison.

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Post by [deleted] »

kaba0 wrote: post #66
teekert wrote: post #31

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You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

That's such a bad take, and I'm not even religious. This is the utmost lack of respect for another person that we should strive to stray very very far away from. Also, if you would know anything at all about religion (from context, I assume you mean Christianity), they don't believe that one book trumps all of human science at all -- taking the text literally is a relatively modern take done by very few branches of i…

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Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by xiphias2 »

dinobones wrote: post #8

This is funny to me as someone who participates in Christians @ Google and weekly prayer. The few coworkers outside of that who know of my faith are very accepting. I have never personally experienced any kind of discrimination, but perhaps I could have if I had different teammates.

Try talking about it aggressively with everybody all the time (try your accepting colleagues to come to the weekly prayers), and I guess you will get bad feedback at some point.

I have a friend who's in the church of scientology, but he never tried to convience me that Xeno alien god took over human souls.

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Post by zaphirplane »

teekert wrote: post #31
krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

You are at a meeting with colleagues, one colleague suddenly starts to insist that Santa Claus is real. Do you take them seriously? Sure it’s freedom of speech but there will be some kind of drop in respect. I mean I get that you believe that one book trumps all of human science because you were raised that way but when you grow up your critical thinking skills should kick in. If they don’t, it’s very difficult to ke…

What a strawman argument and moderately offensive metaphor

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Post by jl6 »

eitland wrote: post #54
pubby wrote: post #29

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Most inmates are religious - that's why prisons have chapels and give out religious texts. It's estimated only around 1 in 1000 prisoners are atheist.

At the same time, the regime that killed absolutely most people last century were staunchly anti religious: the USSR.

The USSR, with a cult of personality around the leader, unquestionable doctrines, restraint on free thinking, and its own set of truths at odds with reality? Funny how they managed to stay anti-religious while keeping all the best bits of religion.

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by t0suj4 »

krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

Dissociating yourself from people based on their beliefs is new thing and it's wreaking havoc. The colleague in question did not even ask any details about author's faith and what was told was enough for him to disassociate. In this case the author was treated like lower caste Indian.

The proper negative response would be in my opinion "I don't like discussing religion, can we keep it outside of the conversation?"

Re: Religious Discrimination at Google

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Post by synu »

krisoft wrote: post #23

Quoting the most concrete example he gives: > If you start talking about your religious beliefs at a social event people treat you like you just farted in their face. They frequently will scrunch up their faces and might ask a question like “Do you REALLY believe all that stuff?” When you tell them that you do they might even go so far as to say “Sorry that’s just not the kind of thing I associate with someone as sma…

It is weirdly common for people to conflate running into others who disagree with or aren’t interested in them with authoritarian suppression. You even see people going on television to talk about how they have been silenced.
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