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Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by IdEntities »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #67
GenerocUsername wrote: post #21

In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

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In private conversation my PCP will express concerns about the vaccines that she steadfastly refuses to share with most patients for fear of professional repercussions. You are operating from an assumption ("the institutions of authority are healthy and aligned with the imperative of finding and disseminating the truth") which I don't share.

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Post by uejfiweun »

buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you got last night.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by rnk »

User23 wrote: post #51
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

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I'd put it differently. We know that the vaccine absolutely saved millions of lives. Covid directly killed millions of people plus the millions more who have life-long complications from it.

The vaccine is like any substance that goes into our bodies, it might have complex interactions with the functioning of the body, just as is true for the foods we eat, the things we encounter in our environment, even aspirin was recently reconsidered as a general thing to take daily. The vaccine has been extensively tested and now we have real world testing with billions of doses given that it is extremely safe.

It's hard for people to talk about any potential concerns because of the huge number of people fixated on the fact that it could have other effects (like every single medicine in the world) who constantly make bad faith arguments (you have some sickness and got the vaccine and thus they claim the "obvious" connection). People had difficult to diagnose things like chronic fatigue syndrome before there was ever a covid vaccine and we don't understand those either.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by jhardy54 »

uejfiweun wrote: post #72
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

“I flipped a coin and got heads, so the people who say they got tails must be confused”

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #67
GenerocUsername wrote: post #21

In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

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What's with politicians doing the same? Perhaps doctors and pharmacists know better than politicians what medicines should be prescribed to patients.

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Post by somewhereoutth »

WoodenChair wrote: post #17
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

Some of what you wrote is true and some of it is pure speculation. I downvoted you for the unsubstantiated fear mongering in this sentence: > Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. People are afraid enough we don’t need that.

The problem is that they aren't afraid enough - otherwise they'd be pushing to bring this pandemic under control.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by gameshot911 »

IdEntities wrote: post #71
VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In private conversation my PCP will express concerns about the vaccines that she steadfastly refuses to share with most patients for fear of professional repercussions. You are operating from an assumption ("the institutions of authority are healthy and aligned with the imperative of finding and disseminating the truth") which I don't share.

What sort of concerns? Big difference between "unsure of cost-benefit for patients aged 3-5" and "vaccines contain microchips".

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

uejfiweun wrote: post #72
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

Long Covid has a proven association with microclotting and other vascular issues. Covid is essentially a vascular illness and there's some evidence it attacks the entire immune system.

So this is anything but "hysteria." I know a shocking number of previously healthy people who have suddenly had strokes, heart arrhythmias, and - in a few cases - are now dead. Less dramatic symptoms include extreme incapacitating fatigue, persistent brain fog, joint pain, breathlessness, and measurably low blood oxygen.

Your personal experience is exactly that - personal - and not in any way relevant to people who are now living with real, observable clinical abnormalities.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by daenz »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #62
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

In your eyes, what would constitute as evidence, and how would it manifest in the world?
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