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Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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I’d frankly be surprised if you were able to muster the talent/willpower for something like this. 1. Most of the people able to do this sort of thing probably work in Linux/FreeBSD/etc land. 2. You’re really working doubly against the tide here. You have proprietary stuff on the Mac and on the Windows side. 3. (Personal opinion) Dear God that sounds like a lot of work for something that is a fairly unfriendly experie…

Why be so negative? The world is better for ambitious people like this

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#72

Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Seems like this project might have missed a few steps along the way. This really should be a Microsoft effort. They just announced that they have Visual Studio compiling in ARM64 finally, so it's only a matter of time before the only thing standing in the way is backroom deals that we don't know about. Qualcomm? I mean, I do want to see Qualcomm ship their M1 competitor…

Yes, the asahi linux people have had linux booting for quite awhile now. They're still working on all the drivers that you want for a good desktop operating system.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parallels in operating in a legal gray area and using Insider builds of Windows on ARM that are not licensed for M1 hardware. There is currently no legal way, from a licensing standpoint, to have an ARM build running on a device that Microsoft does not have an existing agreement with. If you're running an M1 with Parallels in any type of business or money-making environment then you're putting yourself at risk.

What's the basis for this view? Microsoft will happily sell me a license key for Windows 11, will let me download a Windows arm64 build and activate it, with the license explicitly stating that installation on a single virtual machine is permitted, and with no apparent restrictions on the hardware which can be used. It's totally possible that I'm just missing something but I don't really see what it is – as far as I…

I don’t get it. Microsoft just refuses to license windows on ARM to end users.

There’s a VS community post about it, and I think there must be some denial or something going on. Lots of deliberately obtuse thinking and circular reasoning for why this can never ever happen, despite 100,000 Parallels users demonstrating that it works.

https://developercommunity.visualstudio.com/t/Native-ARM-Sup...

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#74

Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Seems like this project might have missed a few steps along the way. This really should be a Microsoft effort. They just announced that they have Visual Studio compiling in ARM64 finally, so it's only a matter of time before the only thing standing in the way is backroom deals that we don't know about. Qualcomm? I mean, I do want to see Qualcomm ship their M1 competitor…

> Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet?

Yes, https://asahilinux.org . I think this is coming at about the right stage in the game - the Asahi folks have figured out the baseline needs for booting another OS and have a basic bootstrap loader and hypervisor (m1n1) as mentioned in the M1 Windows writeup.

I think the OP writeup is fairly clear-eyed in terms of what needs doing - bring up the basic interrupt controller setup and IOMMU oddities needed to get UEFI and then the kernel to come up, and then start chipping away driver by driver until the system is usable.

This is basically what Asahi did and it's worked out well for them.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#75

I’d frankly be surprised if you were able to muster the talent/willpower for something like this. 1. Most of the people able to do this sort of thing probably work in Linux/FreeBSD/etc land. 2. You’re really working doubly against the tide here. You have proprietary stuff on the Mac and on the Windows side. 3. (Personal opinion) Dear God that sounds like a lot of work for something that is a fairly unfriendly experie…

I feel like there should be a common etiquette rule on HN where if you don't care about a particular project / technology / initiative that you skip commenting and move on. For example, your comment says that this initiative will not work out. Should there be a debate whether or not it's theoretically possibly for this to work out logistically? What is the value in that? Even if there is a convincing argument that this initiative could theoretically be successful, would that convince anyone to use the technology? No, it would not.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#76
post #70

Is Windows RT usable in any of this? For a while there, RT was the Windows 8 equivalent for their ARM tech.

At this point it would be hard for any normal user of Windows to tell the difference between the Intel and ARM variants of Windows 11. Things that haven't been ported to ARM will run slower, but they're already on par with low-end intel laptops.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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post #74

Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Seems like this project might have missed a few steps along the way. This really should be a Microsoft effort. They just announced that they have Visual Studio compiling in ARM64 finally, so it's only a matter of time before the only thing standing in the way is backroom deals that we don't know about. Qualcomm? I mean, I do want to see Qualcomm ship their M1 competitor…

> Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Yes, https://asahilinux.org . I think this is coming at about the right stage in the game - the Asahi folks have figured out the baseline needs for booting another OS and have a basic bootstrap loader and hypervisor (m1n1) as mentioned in the M1 Windows writeup. I think the OP writeup is fairly clear-eyed in terms of what needs doing - bring up the basic interrupt con…

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Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#78
post #74

Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Seems like this project might have missed a few steps along the way. This really should be a Microsoft effort. They just announced that they have Visual Studio compiling in ARM64 finally, so it's only a matter of time before the only thing standing in the way is backroom deals that we don't know about. Qualcomm? I mean, I do want to see Qualcomm ship their M1 competitor…

> Can you dual boot any other OS on ARM Macs yet? Yes, https://asahilinux.org . I think this is coming at about the right stage in the game - the Asahi folks have figured out the baseline needs for booting another OS and have a basic bootstrap loader and hypervisor (m1n1) as mentioned in the M1 Windows writeup. I think the OP writeup is fairly clear-eyed in terms of what needs doing - bring up the basic interrupt con…

Oh, that's very cool, I haven't heard of them!

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

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post #75

I’d frankly be surprised if you were able to muster the talent/willpower for something like this. 1. Most of the people able to do this sort of thing probably work in Linux/FreeBSD/etc land. 2. You’re really working doubly against the tide here. You have proprietary stuff on the Mac and on the Windows side. 3. (Personal opinion) Dear God that sounds like a lot of work for something that is a fairly unfriendly experie…

I feel like there should be a common etiquette rule on HN where if you don't care about a particular project / technology / initiative that you skip commenting and move on. For example, your comment says that this initiative will not work out. Should there be a debate whether or not it's theoretically possibly for this to work out logistically? What is the value in that? Even if there is a convincing argument that th…

They didn't say they aren't interested in the idea, they just expressed skepticism.

> Should there be a debate whether or not it's theoretically possibly for this to work out logistically? What is the value in that?

Certainly if you're going to work on this you'd like to know if it's just a dead end.

Re: Welcome to the M1 Windows project

#80

I’d frankly be surprised if you were able to muster the talent/willpower for something like this. 1. Most of the people able to do this sort of thing probably work in Linux/FreeBSD/etc land. 2. You’re really working doubly against the tide here. You have proprietary stuff on the Mac and on the Windows side. 3. (Personal opinion) Dear God that sounds like a lot of work for something that is a fairly unfriendly experie…

I work on the NT kernel and DirectX, I'll definitely take a look at this over the weekend.
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