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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by freediver »

runevault wrote: post #53
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Quick Google search indicates Windows still holds a 74% market share. Apple has a long way to go before they are really crunching on Windows in the general market. Hardware superiority does not guarantee success, for many people what they are already comfortable with is fine.

I assume what you refer to is this

https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha...

If you look at the trend, macOS is gaining worldwide market share while Windows is steadily dropping.

And macOS share in USA has already reached close to 25%.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by masklinn »

swyx wrote: post #63
Escapado wrote: post #3

They were so careful not to compare it to the M1 Pro!

can anyone knowledgeable please oblige us with a comparison?

The CPU cores of the M1 and M1P are exactly the same (just with different mixes, and different boosting behaviour on the E cores).

If the M2 has 18% higher PPW, and keeps the same TDP / power draw, that's 18% higher performances (remains to be seen whether it's across the board for E-cores, or for P-cores) it's about 25% below the 6+2 M1 Pro, and about 70% below the 8+2 M1P. At least looking purely at the CPU.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by seabriez »

chongli wrote: post #46
cowtools wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a false dichotomy. You could say the same about either company. Those are the inevitable consequences of proprietary software and vendor lock-in (my original comment was some rhetorical question, I edited it to be more direct and less passive-agressive)

No, you can't. There are no dark patterns, ads, or spam in macOS. The worst you could say is that it has "terrible UX." I would then respond: compared to what? In my view, the only desktop-grade OS I prefer over the modern Mac is MacOS 9. It was much easier to use and understand from top to bottom. On the other hand, it lacked a lot of features I've come to take for granted (pre-emptive multitasking, multithreading,…

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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by momenti »

freediver wrote: post #71
runevault wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick Google search indicates Windows still holds a 74% market share. Apple has a long way to go before they are really crunching on Windows in the general market. Hardware superiority does not guarantee success, for many people what they are already comfortable with is fine.

I assume what you refer to is this https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... If you look at the trend, macOS is gaining worldwide market share while Windows is steadily dropping. And macOS share in USA has already reached close to 25%.

It's behind a paywall for me.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

#77

Post by jcstauffer »

runevault wrote: post #53
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Quick Google search indicates Windows still holds a 74% market share. Apple has a long way to go before they are really crunching on Windows in the general market. Hardware superiority does not guarantee success, for many people what they are already comfortable with is fine.

Windows may still dominate, but 75% is far below the 90% it was 10 years ago, while MacOS has nearly doubled in the same timeframe.

As someone who can remember this never changing, that's a pretty steep slope...

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by hu3 »

988747 wrote: post #64
hu3 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They mean Apple's advantage is in good part due to their anti-competitive practice of buying TSMC's entire 5nm production. Leaving none for others like AMD which had to compete on 7nm for the longest time. Same will happen for 3nm if nothing changes. Whatever your opinion may be about Apple/AMD/Intel. Unfair competition is not good for consumers in the long run. edit: instantly downvoted. As per tradition in Apple re…

What's anti-competitive about that? Apple doesn't even make their own chips, they need outside vendor for that. AMD and Intel are free to offer TSMC even more money, if they want.

You think AMD's 200 billion market cap stands a chance against Apple's 2.3 trillion market cap?

Consumers only stand to lose in the long run. Including Apple consumers.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by zamalek »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #23

How does the M2 compare to Intel's offerings?

Watt-for-watt, dollar-for-dollar, M1 steamrolls Intel. Intel does claim to currently have the most powerful consumer chip on the planet, if you watts and performance (effectively cooling the thing is a bit of a meme).

Note that Apple do not mention AMD. M1 and M2 probably still kick AMD to the dirt on the power efficiency front, but the cost for performance end would be difficult to quantify (and the AMD performance ceiling is also significantly higher).

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