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Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by qbasic_forever »

toolz wrote: post #42
qbasic_forever wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID virus spike protein attaches directly to ACE2 receptors which are found all over the blood vessels in the body. It is uniquely evolved to target and damage the vascular system in the body. edit: And people ARE tracking things like flu vs. COVID statistics. So far COVID-19 is roughly 10x as deadly as a bad flu year. Ten times...

Tissue fibrosis has been a leading factor and cause in mortality in developed nations far longer than covid has existed. Neither what you said or your parent said is false, but there does seem to be an awful lot of exaggerating the effects of covid.

COVID has been the #3 cause of overall death in the US for two years now: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0422-third-leading-...

"For the second year, COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer."

It is no exaggeration to say that COVID is a significant cause of death and threat to the health of the public. Only two things kill more people a year--heart disease and cancer. Not car accidents, not gun violence, not suicides... all those kill far fewer people than COVID.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by soupbowl »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #20
SoftTalker wrote: post #19

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Many people had to make the choice of being fired if they refused the vaccine. I'm not sure that is "being conned" more like being coerced. Even though some employers have walked back or not followed through on those threats, employees had to make the choice without benefit of that hindsight.

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Pants are not injected into your body.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by ryanmcbride »

swayvil wrote: post #3

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I'm nowhere near an expert in this field but it's something I do a lot of research about because of my family history.

Heart disease has been the leading cause of death (mostly for men over 30 and women over 60) for a very long time [1].

According to [2] and [3] the world's number of deaths by cardiac illness was about a million people larger in 2021 than in 2017, but because of the delayed effect that heart issues can have we might not be able to see the true increase the last year has had until it's well behind us.

The sad fact is that a lot of us are going to die of a heart problem we didn't even know we had. And since heart health is affected by so many things it's very difficult to find a single root cause for it in anybody. That said there's already research showing that cases of arrhythmia and atrial fibrillation are increased in people who had covid within 1 year of contracting it [4]. Which makes sense because heart problems increase in people who contract many life threatening illnesses, such as certain types of cancer [5].

Our hearts take hits from just about everything that happens to us and everything we do, and our means of identifying, preventing, curing, or (someday I hope) reversing heart illness is still far behind where it needs to be. Please remember to get physicals at the recommended pace for your age group (ask your doctor) and try to do things to get your heart pumping in a good way when you can.

[1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

[2] https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/worldwide/2018/

[3] https://deadorkicking.com/death-statistics/worldwide/2021/

[4] https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spa...

[5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28618843/

edit: some grammar

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by californical »

ipaddr wrote: post #51
JamesBarney wrote: post #27

The problem with a study like this is that they probably aren't doing a good job distinguish true long covid from psychosomatic long covid. And there is a lot of evidence that "long covid" correlates much more highly with pre-existing anxiety levels than disease severity. I think long covid exists I just think there is also a lot of psychosomatic long covid and until we have a good diagnostic criteria to differentiat…

The media wants you to believe that the vaccine protects against longterm covid. If it doesn't many people would skip the upcoming 4th, 5th, 6th round because it is providing no additional protection against the latest variants. But here is an actual study that goes against this story. Will you believe science or myth? Are there enough excuses to keep the myth alive?

Why does the media care if you get a 4th dose? How does it help them?

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by iamed2 »

hda111 wrote: post #56
smt88 wrote: post #2

There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…

What medications cause anxiety and depression?

Medications for anxiety and depression can cause brain fog and fatigue.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by mrtesthah »

ipaddr wrote: post #52
swayvil wrote: post #3

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Only in the vaccinated.

Nope.

Data from 40 health care systems participating in a large network found that the risk for cardiac complications was significantly higher after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination for both males and females in all age groups.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7114e1.htm

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by havblue »

vorpalhex wrote: post #63
hda111 wrote: post #56

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What medications cause anxiety and depression?

Not exactly a medication but alcohol for one. But many other drugs can cause these sorts of symptoms too including anti-depressants paradoxically.

Do you mean a treatment for anxiety and depression or a cause?

“Here's to alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.” -Homer Simpson

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by r00fus »

smt88 wrote: post #2

There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…

Was this study also with an average age of 71? (cohort was US veterans with 3 week vax interval. Also baseline mortality in the group was 1% over 6mo - definitely an older, vulnerable population).

So yeah, not a representative study at all.

And I'm someone who's somewhat concerned specifically about long covid.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by vorpalhex »

Angostura wrote: post #45
water554 wrote: post #43

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> I am logical as they come > the (clearly engineered) Yeh. No.

The lab leak hypothesis is still well in the realm of possible. Not known but not impossible.
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