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Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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Re: Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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BUSD is just rebranded Paxos Standard iirc.

You’re thinking about USDP, if I am not mistaken. BUSD is Binance dollar.

It's "Binance Dollar" but it's issued by Paxos. Though it isn't like the first person claimed, the most trusted among the community are DAI and USDC.

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Wow, what a use-case.. sending money from the main NATO member to a country that the NATO supports and wants to win the war. Now do the same thing with sending money to Russia. I just checked WISE. "We temporarily stopped sending money to Russia". Yeah.. thanks..

Okay, so how much has the Ukraine situation actually resulted in crypto transactions? Enough to justify multi trillion valuations?

Note that Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon all have $1T+ market caps, and before the recent market meltdown had multi-trillion valuations.

Most Americans - particularly those who grew up before globalization - underestimate the scale of global markets. The U.S. is about 4% of the world's population and about 15% of global GDP. Anything that's Internet-based and has truly global appeal will be significantly larger than anything we would've been familiar with pre-globalization. Hell, the product I work on has about 3B users, 10x the population of the United States.

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Easier to trade, no issues with tax&bank issues, and a lot of crypto exchanges charge to convert from crypto -> cash, whereas crypto -> crypto(stablecoin) is usually just exchange fees, less than the USD charge.

> no issues with tax&bank issues Sure about that bit? This may be the perception – that holding your assets in 'the crypto system' avoids tax issues – but the taxman will disagree. Swapping $BTC for $USDC or whatever your tether of choice is is a 'taxable event'. You've sold one security in exchange for another. It doesn't matter that they're both crypto. Now, it might be harder for the taxman to detect this event, w…

Depends on the jurisdiction. In most European countries for example, you only pay tax when cashing out

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I don't get all the bandwagon hate of crypto on this site.. Sure 99% of crypto schemes are b.s and ponzi. But I like to think in terms of use cases. Currently there is no way to send "money" to someone in another country on the other side of the world, in a decentralized way, and without transaction fees. Can this problem be solved without crypto? Probably, but currently crypto is looking like the best way to be able…

> I don't get all the bandwagon hate of crypto on this site.. Sure 99% of crypto schemes are b.s and ponzi

wish i could frame this quote

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I was able to send funds from US directly to a bank account of my friend in Ukraine near instantly for low single digit percent and I could do the same using western union(to my surprise). All without a fear that my currency will drop 10-20% in a day. Now about decentralization, I believe that most people hold their transactional crypto funds in a handful of exchanges and thus the dream of decentralized crypto transa…

the majority of crypto is being held in non custodial wallets, not exchanges. a better way to frame your comment: why does the world use Stripe and PayPal when you can just go to your bank and ask them to setup a multi day long wire process from bank A to B for less fees?

People do both, every day, what is your point?

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What are people holding all those stable coins for? In contrast to other crypto currencies, nobody is holding it for speculation. I doubt anybody expects stable coins to be a better store of "dollar value" than the dollar itself. Yet, someone holds those $150B worth of stable coins. Who and why?

Its a much nicer experience for moving around large sums of money. I have heard of a fair few people who use it primarily for funding angellist investments since its more hassle free than a wire.

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And there are dozens and dozens of ways to do that: Venmo, PayPal, iPay, bill pay, ach, wire transfer, iBAN, payconiq, biscuit, cash, check, beer. And that's just in my neck of the woods, I'm sure I'm forgetting more.

and now there is one more way to do that: crypto. it is like asking “Why Does PayPal Exist When We Have iBAN?” obviously some subset of the globe finds it more useful than iBAN transfers for their needs (like setting up an online shop).

I'm not anti crypto, I simply argue that the problems alleged by OP don't really exist except in the mind of people who once had a bank twenty years ago. By and large, if I want something that holds its value pegged to the US dollar, I hold a US dollar. Moving a US dollar costs me nothing anywhere in the world. Moving a USDT or whatever means I now have to set up an exclusive banking relationship with someone I trust even _less_ than my bank. Maybe it solves a problem for some subset of the globe, but I'm not convinced their problems are the noble ones stated above.

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The big question with Tether has been, if they are holding commercial paper, whose commercial paper? Traders who deal in commercial paper of real companies that do real stuff don't see Tether present in that market. The dollar amounts are too big to hide. The suspicion is that their "commercial paper" is high-interest loans to other cryptocurrency companies. With the whole crypto sector in decline, those loans are at…

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Re: Top stablecoins shed $7B in May as traders redeem tokens en masse

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Centralised mechanisms solve the problem for less cost

Okay, tell me how I can send money to my friend in Macedonia from Australia without transaction fees.

Okay, tell me why you should be able to send money to your friend in Macedonia from Australia without transaction fees?

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Okay, so how much has the Ukraine situation actually resulted in crypto transactions? Enough to justify multi trillion valuations?

Note that Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon all have $1T+ market caps, and before the recent market meltdown had multi-trillion valuations. Most Americans - particularly those who grew up before globalization - underestimate the scale of global markets. The U.S. is about 4% of the world's population and about 15% of global GDP. Anything that's Internet-based and has truly global appeal will be significantly larger…

So we should ignore that crypto is being used a fraction of the time as much as financial products that are worth several times less, because global markets are large? Should every product have a 1 trillion plus valuation because global markets are large?

I just never actually see evidence that crypto has taken over global finance or is well on its way to doing so.

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