Cursor arrow key layout fail. Devs use cursor keys more than anyone and they didn't prioritise a layout you can easily hit with muscle memory. I know because my current laptop has a layout like this machine and it sucks
Inverted-T is a good layout for the most part, but I think IBM/Lenovo have suckered me into their 3x2 arrow cluster. Having pgup and pgdown so close to a single hand really helps me fly through docs and PDFs.
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#72It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.
The presence of the buttons doesn't matter much does it? Assuming a tap works as mouse click. Maybe they're there for nipple users - it has one. Use fingers on the nipple and thumb on the button. So to speak.
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#73The pointer stick is a really great thing to have assuming it works well. That said, my muscle memory would be decimated by the lack of a middle button. On Thinkpads, holding this makes the pointer stick scroll, making it a lot more useful than if it only middle clicked.
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#74That's interesting; I thought System76 made Pop!_OS specifically to have a distro tuned to their hardware, but assuming this is as official as it looks that implies that they've started going for licensing it out to other vendors
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Radeon graphics and 16GB memory for $1,100 sounds like a good deal imo.
It's not clear whether it's also got a dGPU or just the iGPU. Both are Radeon graphics. The vagueness of the description leads me to guess it only has an iGPU.
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#77Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…
It’s a long tail thing I think, but the right/left modifiers pair are tremendously useful if you use it to switch states. For instance I use it for switching IME modes, I could see it used for switching virtual desktops, show/hide virtual environments etc.
It’s more intuitive than using the same key to switch, it works with muscle memory as you’ll always get into a given state by hit a given key.
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#78What is with those arrow keys? Who wants double wide half height up and down keys? 2 x 0.5 does not equal one full sized key. Am I really to believe that relabeling the win key to super is some sort of engineering feat?
I think it's just worth mentioning in the marketing material because laptop keycaps are generally hard/impossible to swap out individually because they're not really standardized. So it's actually significant that it comes with a non windows logo super key out of the box.
Just one of the little things that all add up to make it feel like Linux is a first class supported thing on it.
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#7916GB RAM? Is it upgradable or can it be configured higher? If not, why in god's name would you have 16GB RAM as a selling point? FHD at 14"? That's more than usable sure, but I'd prefer at least 2560x1440, preferably 2560x1600; A 16:9 aspect ratio is a pain in the ass. 4 years ago, these specs (if you can even call it that, we've been given almost no information) would have been decent. Now? This just seems desperate…
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If somebody came out today with a machine with 2GB of RAM, a 1024x600 display, and a 128GB SSD; we'd all agree that that's not a developer machine. So what's the minimum for you?
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#80I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.