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WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

I have a good friend who basically makes his living off of wordpress development and consulting. He hates WP but makes a solid living.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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post #44

Recently I considered building a new site with WordPress. I haven't used it in years, and looking at it again I didn't think it's the right fit anymore. It feels too limiting maybe? Right now I'm considering going the https://www.11ty.dev route instead. Anyone have any good experiences with it?

So, Wordpress, with its very flexible schemas and tens of thousands of plugins, and total freedom to do whatever with custom php is "too limiting" but a static site generator is not? Maybe have another look?

Yeah, I definitely phrased that wrong.

I recently built a blogging/gallery template that I'm very happy with. My goal is to keep it JS free. I originally wanted to apply it as a theme for PHP/WordPress, since I already had an older one I could rework. But it didn't feel like the end result with JS was worth it. Hence the static site generator route. In theory I think I'll have more control for exactly what I want.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Do you have the same impression: Each and every plugin/extension has a commercial pro version that keeps on nagging to buy its extended warrenty ... sorry, no, to subscribe to updates for just 29.99 each, right? So 29.99 for instagram connections, 39.99 for backups pro (i'm making names and prices up, but you know the drill.) and for just 20 dollars more a security/virus check for ... what?!?! are you f**king kidding…

It's not just the plugins, this culture seeps into just about every guide about Wordpress. Read any guide and it's almost never a person that is just offering helpful advice, it's almost always some SEO spam that leads you on only to hit you with "buy my services/plugins/etc to fix this problem".

Last time I did any work around WP this drove me insane. I remember trying to setup backup or something else simple and I was loosing my mind because there wasn't a single guide that just told you how to do it, they all beat around the bush and eventually the post just turns into a sales copy for their plugin/service/other overpriced bullshit.

Coming from the JS ecosystem, you realize just how different the culture is. Sure there are professional services in the JS ecosystem that cost money, but there's plenty of folks that are just trying to pay it forward and be helpful to the community, even the companies are good stewards. With Wordpress no, everyone is just out to make a quick buck selling you on something.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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post #62
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you peckrob, this was very insightful. Let me be a SOB for a second and ask for your opinion. I'm interested in freelancing with WordPress, mostly small company websites, would you still recommend it for someone who's just getting in the market? TIA

Not a bad question at all. It's all about what the client needs. The advice I give on this subject these days is that Wordpress is fine to use for a blog or a very basic, low traffic read-only company websites. Think like a small restaurant or something. The two things to be aware of: 1. Somebody has to support it, whether that be you or someone who comes after you. While Wordpress doesn't have as many security issue…

Once again, thank you! This aligns very well with what a few friends pointed out about this matter.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

For years now, I've seen many restaurants rely on an Instagram account instead of an actual website. It's definitely easier for them to create an IG account than to pay someone (or a service) for a website. Also, posting to IG lets them market to their audience (instead of posting it to a website that presumably fewer people visit).

Shame since I often want to view their menu, and IG is really aggressive about not showing you profiles & images unless you login. Viewing their menu on a 3rd party site (Google Maps, Yelp, delivery services, etc) is subpar and often out of date.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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post #17

I'm interested to hear from other people who are bearish on Wordpress' future. Where are you headed? We agree with many of the points the author raised, as well as some additional pain points regarding general maintenance and design decisions (too many ways to do the same thing). Decoupled, static content generators seem to be the direction the industry is heading, but so far we've had trouble finding a content model…

After taking a stab into building with Gutenberg I'm incredibly bearish. Automatic has abandoned both of its customers, plugin/theme developers and non-technical website owners, due to, imo, huge amount of VC funding it took on. Gutenberg is at best, half baked and broken and at worst an ever changing API of compromises.

I'm trying to convince my partner to look into creating custom Shopify themes or plugins and possibly creating a full service consulting company.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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WordPress will continue losing market share for the simplest reason: people fed up with the coercion of Full-Site Editing (FSE) by Automattic. Community's reaction via comments' section [1] for Gutenberg plugin was a clear indication that people will eventually go away, had they not revoke their decision. They haven't which led to the fork [2] of WordPress thus dividing the community, at least for a while. Had they l…

What’s wrong with Gutenberg? I haven’t been following along with this at all.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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The problem we have is that getting traffic to a website is expensive and difficult compared to 5-10 years ago. This is really problematic for small businesses that just want traffic for search from local visits or in a niche category. Wordpress losing market ins't surprising, hosting costs money - and the choices for WP are pay wordpress dot com or get a shared hosting account like it's 2004. Facebook pages are free. Search isn't delivering traffic. Instagram, Facebook Pages, Google My Business, etc... are all making to cost of maintaining a nice website simply not worth it.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Chances I will ever use Squarespace or Wix: 0%.

A friend of mine has a Wix account for who knows why. We were planning an event and he asked me to make a web page for it. I didn’t have the free cycles to do it at that moment, but he came back to me with a mostly finished Wix website a couple of hours later. I’ve gotta say, while I’m not interested in using it, I was impressed with how quickly someone less technical was able to get something decent up and running.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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post #67

WordPress is the most giant bowl of spaghetti code in existence ever! One must wonder not why the market share is shrinking but why it is still a thing! Not only it's buggy and hard to scale, but it's also costly! All the freemium plugins become very expensive! A nonprofit I was involved with had to pay thousands per year to keep an essential WooCommerce match at least 10% of the functionality of Shopify, which comes…

I have experience with both shopify and woocommerce and the difference is WooCommerce can be free if you spend the time or use free plugins. You can do anything with WooCommerce you can do somethings with shopify. Shopify has a base cost plus additional costs for anything but you can dump money on both.

Most of the frameworks and open source software is written by amateurs.

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