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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

I am incredulous at the "mother" to "birthing person" requirement. I have seen one or two people with such prescriptive views on language but the vast majority of people I know consider it ridiculous. And I am in an incredibly "woke" social bubble.

Encountering this aspect of the culture war always makes me wonder why are tech companies so focused on these gender minorities and not, say, on the disabled groups. There are more blind, deaf, mute (etc, etc) people in the US than transgender people who will bear a child. It would be equally incoherent to attempt to replace all usages of “see”, “hear” with “perceive”.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

So... essentially you have to go around hoops in the way you communicate internally? LEL.

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One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black.

Sounds preposterous, but is not. I had a boss around 2000 who believed wholeheartedly that people brought from Africa to the United States were the only slaves that ever existed in history anywhere on Earth.

This came up because someone noted in passing conversation that an anniversary was coming up related to the Atlantic slave trade in the 1600's, and my boss insisted that there couldn't have been slavery before 1776, because slavery was started by the United States.

I walked out of the break room early in the conversation and decided to let the others handle it. She was my boss, and I would have gotten fired for contradicting her.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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The most hilarious thing about this is that Google has used "AI" to create the most un-inclusive tool of all, Google Translate.

I present you the beautiful translation of hungarian gender-less sentences to english:

ő csinos. ő okos. ő csúnya. ő jó.

becomes

she is pretty. he is clever. she is ugly. he is good.

I can't wait for inclusive warnings to come to non-english languages.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

On landlord I can’t think of a proper synonym. Property owner and proprietor are broader categories of what a landlord is. They don’t mean the person you’re paying rent to for your housing.

rentier - one who lives off the income of property or securities.

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I've been privy to people trying to ban words like "whitelabel" at my company. Thankfully, management & executives at my company never stood for that BS so I still get to use whitelist & blacklist in documentation, and don't worry about those non-issues get in the way of me actually doing work. Google might be too far gone, and working with those people would be so exhausting that it's actually stopped me from applyi…

Silly question: ignoring any kind of history, why fight for terms like "whitelist" and "blacklist" when terms like "allowlist" and "blocklist" are objectively clearer, especially for folks who's first language is not English?

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the banned words list, I can share a link internally if you want.

We're sure it's in a List, but the point is that the List is not uniformly enforced, and "motherboard->mainboard" definitely seems like one to go to bat against because it Doesn't Make Sense to get rid of it.

> We're sure it's in a List, but the point is that the List is not uniformly enforced

The fact that it’s in a list at all should make you reconsider your employment with them.

The inmates run the asylum at Google, just because they haven’t come for your corner/fiefdom yet doesn’t mean they won’t.

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I unfortunately have a mortgage and can't live with the stress of the fear of being fired for some esoteric internet community I've joined. I've heard through the grapevines of people starting slack mob witch hunts over people who've used terms like "Fren" because of its very slight relationship with 4chan. I like the security of not working with unchecked witch hunts . I don't want to be Damore'd because of words I…

"I owe money and need to make money to pay it off, so I'm too afraid to say even reasonable things in public". Sounds like you have 3 problems.

Hahaha yeah, sometimes I wonder how quickly I'd get fired if I didn't have mouths to feed. I'd probably be somewhere in Miami living in a hacker warehouse working on my 5th failed crypto project, consuming an assortment of drugs.

Instead, it's the white picket fence, steady income and BBQs for me

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