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Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

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Congrats on launching! I just want to vent about something bank-related, and hopefully bait someone to tell me how this solves it. Or something else solves it. Have you ever heard how you could pay off your mortgage a lot quicker by making bi-weekly payments instead of monthly? Or how you can include extra with your payment and instruct your bank to apply it directly to the premium, helping you reduce your interest?…

An interesting thing I heard is that is not so convenient to pay off the mortgage earlier. Mortgages are debt with 1-3% per year. You could take the money you already have and put it in an ETF covering the whole market which kept for a long time (10 years) in average will return you 5-8% per year. I also had the instinct of paying off the mortgage faster if I could until they explained me that. Never had chance to do…

It's a personal decision and can go either way, and depends on your cash flow and risk tolerance, and goals.

There are many ways to look at it, and the financial aspects aren't always the most important ones. If you have higher debt (credit card, etc) you probably want to pay those off first.

You may want to have ready cash available (stocks, ETFs, etc can be sold) - but once you put money back into your mortgage it can be hard to get it back out (HELOCs can affect this).

You may find you're not good with savings, and paying extra "forces" you to save (people do this with taxes all the time, preferring to get a large refund as a "windfall" vs having some amount of money extra each paycheck).

And it can all change AGAIN from a cash flow perspective - if you have a few years left on a ten year mortgage paying it down faster gets you to the point where you have no mortgage payment faster - that may not matter to you as much if you're 29 years left on a 30 year mortgage.

Also paying down debt is a certainty, but ETF returns could do anything (we have had ten year periods of negative returns in the past). Conversely, inflation makes your debt load lesser, assuming your income inflates at some point.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#72

Congrats on launching! I just want to vent about something bank-related, and hopefully bait someone to tell me how this solves it. Or something else solves it. Have you ever heard how you could pay off your mortgage a lot quicker by making bi-weekly payments instead of monthly? Or how you can include extra with your payment and instruct your bank to apply it directly to the premium, helping you reduce your interest?…

> Have you ever heard how you could pay off your mortgage a lot quicker by making bi-weekly payments instead of monthly? Or how you can include extra with your payment and instruct your bank to apply it directly to the premium, helping you reduce your interest? Generally speaking you don't want to do that. A mortgage with an interest rate of like 3% (to which anyone in the last year refinanced or, or got on purchase…

You don’t want to do this now, but there’s a reasonable world we end up in where either inflation hovers at 1%, like most the last 5 years (so you earn 2% by paying down a mortgage, vs -1% when putting it into a savings account), or interest rates stabilize at 10%, or both!

Also some people just hate having debt, and so they want to pay down debts as quickly as possible. Even if it’s “irrational” their goal is to pay down their mortgage in the least amount of time. It is better for them to pay down principal than enqueue future payments.

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#73
post #54

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I am able to add additional premium payments to my payment, or as a separate payment, via my online mortgage payment site. It sounds like the bank/site your loan is under is actively hostile towards such payments. I don't know enough about mortgages to know how to help you solve your side, though.

The most sad part is, while I'm not OP, I had a bank that supported bi-weekly payments, my mortgage was sold, and the new bank doesn't . What a kick in the pants!

Yeah, that’s the rub, isn’t it. I would have asked the person you are replying to “what is that fabled institution?” (I still want to know though) - but the problem is two-fold: first, it’s not like I can just take my mortgage with me and change banks, and second, the banks seem to change hands, or they sell mortgages to other banks. So even if you do your due-diligence, (which I did I assure you, there was a reason I went with that bank, since it had a relationship with my employer and offered preferential rates), over last X years the bank went under new management and situation changed dramatically :(

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#74

Congrats on launching! I just want to vent about something bank-related, and hopefully bait someone to tell me how this solves it. Or something else solves it. Have you ever heard how you could pay off your mortgage a lot quicker by making bi-weekly payments instead of monthly? Or how you can include extra with your payment and instruct your bank to apply it directly to the premium, helping you reduce your interest?…

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Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#75

Congrats on launching! I just want to vent about something bank-related, and hopefully bait someone to tell me how this solves it. Or something else solves it. Have you ever heard how you could pay off your mortgage a lot quicker by making bi-weekly payments instead of monthly? Or how you can include extra with your payment and instruct your bank to apply it directly to the premium, helping you reduce your interest?…

Try this one

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30685921

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#76
post #8

Hey founder (and OP) here. This has been a labor of love for the past few years and I'm super stoked on what we shipped. Would love any and all feedback, thoughts and questions!

I see you mention this in your docs, but do you provide any tools for the compliance side that would be required to use your API? E.g. if opening accounts on behalf of customers, all of those customers need to go through KYC. Do you monitor transactions for BSA/AML, or is that up to the user of the API?

Thanks very much!

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

#77
This looks really cool, but can someone help me understand more about where it fits in the market?

Is this for me, as a developer to just make my own bank accounts? Does this allow me to create a bank frontend SaaS and use column as the backend? Can I originate loans with this platform for myself, or maybe to others somehow?

tl;dr Who is the customer?

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting thing I heard is that is not so convenient to pay off the mortgage earlier. Mortgages are debt with 1-3% per year. You could take the money you already have and put it in an ETF covering the whole market which kept for a long time (10 years) in average will return you 5-8% per year. I also had the instinct of paying off the mortgage faster if I could until they explained me that. Never had chance to do…

Or even throw it in a Series I risk-free savings bond paying 8%. [edit] I'm not an expert but explained why I wouldn't do that personally in a peer to your reply.

Your comment, though sarcastic, underlines some points I thought about myself and I would like to discuss it!

We are both well aware that there is no risk-free investment. Governments bonds that are considered less risky that ETFs usually return 1-2% per year.

The ETF I'm talking about maps a market index covering a big chunk of the US market or several stable international markets. They are still a risk, your house is also an asset and is also a risk. I think if you only have your mortgage as an asset then probably buying some ETFs would help diversify your assets. But if you already have a lot ETFs then maybe would be better to finish up earlier the mortgage...

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

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post #8

Hey founder (and OP) here. This has been a labor of love for the past few years and I'm super stoked on what we shipped. Would love any and all feedback, thoughts and questions!

Column's website says the company is "100% founder and employee owned."

I'm curious about that ownership structure. I'm assuming you're not organized as a worker cooperative, with a "one worker, one vote" structure? Would you be willing to offer any details about the ownership stake of the founders vs. the other employees and what sort of decision making employees' ownership stake entitles them to?

Re: Column – a chartered bank for developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or even throw it in a Series I risk-free savings bond paying 8%. [edit] I'm not an expert but explained why I wouldn't do that personally in a peer to your reply.

Your comment, though sarcastic, underlines some points I thought about myself and I would like to discuss it! We are both well aware that there is no risk-free investment. Governments bonds that are considered less risky that ETFs usually return 1-2% per year. The ETF I'm talking about maps a market index covering a big chunk of the US market or several stable international markets. They are still a risk, your house…

Sorry if I came across that way, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Series I bonds are essentially risk-free unless you think the US government plans to default within the next 1 year (which is basically the lock-up period). Series I bonds pay a coupon equal to CPI. The current Series I interest rate is 7.11%. It is variable, however, and capped at $10,000 in contributions per year (online). [1]

[1] https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/products/prod_ibonds_gl...

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